I beg to differ,

Blimey. How we got close to winning ... I don't know with that many mistakes (17).

It would have been a complete travesty if we had won that match.

That didn't stop me shouting out in anguish at Matautias forward pass at the end.

We even had success stopping their two golden boys. Yep ... I thought we'd won it too.

We've been telling you for years that your dire.

I have never known anyone coach knocking on, loose Carrie's, and miss tackles. This is down to the players, no bottle.

True, but something has gone wrong. At the start of the season our goal line defence was miserly, out attack fluid and our error rate and discipline excellent.

All of those come from communication, shared responsibility and diligence. Now we look like strangers and enemies.

So you have to think that there is some sort of fall out in the group. Mikaele going home? The drama of McGuire? or something else. So given the 3 things you say something within in the group has happened to kill the harmony.

I am never convinced by this argument and it always comes out when other excuses are extinguished.

You seem to be arguing for a complete absolution of responsibility from the coach? If that is true what does Powell do?

I am still baffled by the complete lack of intent to be adventurous in attack that was evident early doors. There are NO REASONS to stop [itrying[/i to attack in this way unless it comes from a coaching instruction.

Powell, regrettably, will get 3 years and we’ll all be closer to death without having witnessed us win the big one. We’ve been knocked out of the cup by a desperately average Wigan side with 12 men…it’s just really poor and we’re much further away from a GF than we were under Price and the overhaul looks like sending us further backwards.

From what I hear the board are the problem, far too much Willy waving about who has the most cash/can bring in the most expensive signing rather than a serious attempt to make us the dominant force. KFP as CEO says it all.

A performance like that looks like the players don't want to play for the coach, or, they don't understand what the coach is asking them to do and how they are being told to play.

Either way, something has changed since the opening couple of months of the season, and unless its reversed quickly, its mid table finish and season over for us...

....better than 2nd bottom, yes, but is that all we're striving for? Our club to be defined by never having been relegated, and never having won "the big one" for almost 70 years?

They really need to get the announcement about McGuire out of the way now... There does appear to be a lingering malaise with the team going on and it needs sorting out quickly before all the credit built up with the fans for the start of the season against last year's fiasco is once again gone

So, 12 hours later with an overnights sleep....

The anger has gone but the main points of my earlier post remain in tact.

If you don't have the ball, don't do the basics and give up possession easily you're on a sticky wicket.

I do think the players tried, but we do - in the main - have a history of putting ourselves in a hole and not being able to get out.
The leadership group on the field don't seem to be able to reset things when it goes wrong.

We played dumb, were a shambles and paniced throughout the game.
When Vaughan starts to get into arguments, you know things aren't going right.

I know some people are calling for DP's head, but I really don't think you can blame the coach when professional players don't do the basics right.
Any semi-professional player would have been embarrassed making the majority of those mistakes.

Do we not think line speed can coached into players? Wigan were up in our faces in the first half and we couldn’t keep hold of the ball. in contrast to our line speed which was slow all game. Our fitness levels look well off the pace for a supposed top side.

exactly this.

now if there is disharmony in the squad I would take a guess at dufty being the cause. there's plenty of info online about his behaviour