Well i suppose we have one or two who are still at the club from Smith's days ,rather like Miss Scarlett in the library with the spanner. Thinking back though Smith's descent into disillusionment with the game was very dramatic & you have to wonder ,did he fall or was he pushed ?

Ah yeah I forgot Lowes. It was probably much easier for the board to sack him as he was only ever a caretaker while they looked to replace Cullen.

Also Lowes came across terribly in the media. When we were losing games, he had a smug sarcastic attitude with interviewers and grunted and smirked his way through them.

I can't imagine anyone would have warmed to him, on the board or in the squad.

Much as we have mocked things that TS and Price have said when we've been on a losing run, they've at least fronted up and answered questions after defeats and not seen themselves as being above scrutiny.

The departure of Andy Gatcliffe in 2014.

I don't think either Draper or KF were the right fit.

Draper was no Gatcliffe and Fitzpatrick is no Draper which shows a real decline in calibre at the top of the organisation.

Couldn’t agree with you more. He’s part of the culture that’s been a problem for some time at the club.I though his interview as the captain of the club was appalling in the circumstances. Nothing more than a self pity party.

He was made Captain by Price.

We all know that Hill should never have been appointed captain. He’s doing his best which was never going to be good enough, it’s way too much of a stretch for him.

Best thing for Hill would be to appoint a new captain and also bring in some more firepower alongside him in the pack. All these shenanigans he gets himself involved in are coming out of frustration. He probably feels the same way as the fans do with the frustration building in him over the years of Grand Final losses and so he's got the same bad temper on the field that lots of fans have on the terraces.

He would probably be a cooler head if he had the attitude of meh, I get paid win or lose so who cares....but I'd rather he had the fire in him for wanting to win. Whilst I think he's not the player he was at his peak (I thought he was even better than Sam Burgess in the 2013 world cup), he's not the reason for our problems so if we put some more around him, took the captaincy off him, he would still be a force.

Agree, just let him be a prop and he would be more effective

I agree but does Chris Hill strike you as someone who would take it well if you took the captaincy off him? Unrecognisable from the player who was, IMO, the best player on the field in the last WC final.

We miss Morley more than we know.

Well, I think we've come full circle and are back where we were on a rainy night in Huddersfield when we succumbed to a ragged Giants team at the start of Price's tenure.

That game became a catalyst and the team went on a long unbeaten run that not only saved Price but had many, me included, retracting previous mutterings of impending doom.

Would another such run restore Price's reputation? I'm not sure it would; the style of play, the post match banalities, the woeful transfer record, sterile team selection and the wholesale collapse of form in the last twelve months make him damaged goods.

That said, I'd agree the malaise goes further. We are currently donkeys led by donkeys, and our so called playmakers are passing the baton of responsibility to each other with a glance at the pay cheque and a shrug and their paymasters are collectively fiddling whilst the HJ burns.

But we did buy 2 props pre season - Kibula and Latu.