You are right. I don't think I've ever seen a player so bizarrely overhyped on here as Kevin Penny. He had plenty of chances in Super League and overall he wasn't good enough.

Cullen or Lowes didn't "knock all the confidence out of him". Cullen brought him in to the team and kept him as a pretty much ever present until he was sacked. If you want someone to 'blame' for Penny being moved on it was Riley, for proving himself the better player. Riley was on fire in the second half of 2008 like Penny was in the second half of 2007, he got 13 in the last 14 of that season and showed a lot more potential as an all round winger, so what was the coach supposed to do? Drop Riley or Hicks, who were playing well, to recall an out of form Penny?

When Smith came in we signed Mathers so that stopped the idea of playing Riley at fullback, again Riley and Hicks were playing well, so there was no case for dropping either. Smith let Penny go on loan, and this was his chance, if he had done well he could have forced himself back in to the reckoning but he was poor there as well.

IMO fans overrate pace. People say stuff like it doesn't matter if you can't tackle if you have real pace, but pace on its own doesn't break top sides. Brett Dallas, Darren Albert and Scott Donald all had genuine pace and were quality wingers too, their positional play was good, they were strong enough to hold off tackles near the line and were class finishers as well as being decent enough to hold their own defensively.

Some wingers can get away with being iffy defensively if they really are special with ball in hand, like Nathan Blacklock was, he was like Offiah, he wasn't just fast but he would turn up in different parts of the field and had an instinct for where a try was on. Rhys Wesser too. If they are just fast and nothing else they end up in the lower leagues, like Nicky Royle or Craig Calvert.

Penny isn't a Blacklock, he's a Royle or Calvert. Riley is nearly as fast as Penny and is a much better attacking threat.

You need one of those smiley things, when you type something like that.

Well said monkeyman, nearly spat my tea all over the computer screen after reading that.

Welcome back Kev.

I still like wingers who pin their ears back and go for it. And I was a prop.

Agree 100%,the previous comments raised by Sally were undone by such a ridiculous statement.

Is this a wind up? or are we really getting Kevin back on our books. I for one thought he had exceptional attacking skills and would love to see him given another chance. Warrington once had a chap called Brian Bevan who had one or two problems in defence but the team managed to adapt to compensate.

Oh FFS Comparing him to Riley was bad enough. But Brian Bevan!? FFS

For what it's worth I think Riley has been largely shocking this season and is the luckiest bloke at the club that there is nobody better.

Riley isn't a bad player, but rides the Rollercoaster pf form. When he's good, he's great, but when one thing goes wrong, everything follows suit. An out of form Atkins didn't do him any favours and when his head went down, he didn't help Atkins get back into form, it's a vicious circle.

For me, he just needs a good game, defensively more than offensively, and he will be back to normal.

Offensively ? Please spare us the American Football terminology.

If were going to have someone on the wing that is 'defensively weak', he may as well be the fastest player in the league.

Simple sign the best defensive centre in the league, stick him inside Penny (not in the prison sense of the word) which unfortunately is Carl Ablett and bob's your uncle.

Slight problem with that theory is that Ablett couldn't time a pass to his winger (or anyone else for that matter) even if we fitted the ball with an alarm clock. If he's a centre I'm the Duchy of Cornwall.

As a Swinton fan I personally will be sad to see Kevin leave Swinton since he has been with us now couple of seasons and is one of the most committed players I have seen in a number of years, his desire to play for his team is there week in week out and shown on a few occasions this season when he has made try saving tackles running distances to do so.

As for his frailty on the high ball....well for me he is a safe pair of hands often out jumping his opponent.

I accept intensity in SL may be greater but to suggest as one poster has on here that a player from the lower divisions shouldn't be looked at is ridiculous.

In tonight's MEN it is reported Kevin may be on his way back and if true I wish him all the very best and good luck.

It would be nice if Warrington paid us a transfer fee by the way.!!

Not convinced on the merits of Penny's return but glad to see the myth abut him being suspect under a high ball scotched again. Penny may have flaws in his game but safety under a high ball was never, ever one of them.