Spot assesment, 46 years for me and to have seen the bad times but as you say this is beyond bad.

What frightens me is the possibility of ending the year with Agar as caretaker coach and the prospect of the middle eights at best or, dare we say it, the bloody million pound game. But Smith has to go. Who else do you blame when those objectively quality players don't fire as expected? One 'off' game is acceptable from individuals but not week in week out. The creativity and confidence has been coached out of them it seems. Really irked me when Eddie said in commentary that we've not played with confidence all season, but, barring saints at home, he's right for once. Broke my heart to see Chris bleedin' Hill chipping a grubber through. He knows that's not his job as much as me and you could see the man was angry and clearly thinking "where's the stand off for this"? Set the tone for our Mickey poor attack all evening. I honestly wonder if they capitulate just because Brown is in the 17?

Indeed. Worst wire season for me for in 40 years.

I've heard that Currie is "ripping it up" in training.

I can only hope for his sake, the IT is his contract extension.

Your guesstimate is one of your finer qualities along with not wanting attention with opening quality threads about the World Cup...who's going.

This is it in a nutshell. There is absolutely no reason why we should not expect and demand better. This isn't 1985 with us training part time on Loushers Lane with a shoestring budget.

When you see prop forwards in Hill and Philbin with the last tackle attacking kick, you know something is very wrong. Almost as wrong as letting a 34 year Rob Burrow run 75 meters from dummy half to score without the pace to catch him.

What worries me as well is that Smith had no explanation and seemed to have little comprehension or idea of why we performed like that.

All I ever hear now is "Our execution needs to be better".

Great post.

But I will ask this again.

Who comes in?

Saints fans didn't know when they released Cunningham of his duties. They appointed an interim management structure and assessed applications and contacted the agents. No reason why we could not do the same. You don't need to have the solution before you remove the problem.

I see two possibilities here,

1. The tales of recurring dressing room bust ups between coaches who demand style A of rugby, and players who want to play style B.

2. The players have realised that top four is beyond them and are saving it for the challenge cup.

And no doubt niggling in the background is the vast amount of cap awarded to a certain few non performing players, coupled with the fact that certain players know they won't be retained next season.

What a mess.

Who cares who comes in now? So what if it's Agar to move to head coach? We're going backwards with Smith but we're not bad enough to go down, so take the gamble; get rid and see what happens with the remainder of our season being risk free. Worst case scenario we get another average coach for next year. At least we'd have tried something.

I saw a Wire team that were good enough to get themselves into a position to score and making leeds look poor....but the finishing let Warrington down, in there I lay the blame at Agar, I don't blame that on fatigue, but the high amount of tackling Wire did over that first half did play it's part on a terrible second half.

Finishing 3 or 4 of those bombed 5 chances would have sent us home beaten but with a score that would have satisfied us they tried.

We have played far worse with less excuses than what we had on the first half. Im going for a good win at home.
Out record away has been abysmal, 1 win,but at home very good.

He will ....it wont get looked at til after Salford game. Likely to miss Hudds game who we play after they get a week off.

Pretty dire performance ,was Brown playing at right centre ? Our attack in the opponents 25 is worse than ever ,possession being turned over too easily ,ball carriers running round like headless chickens, countless penalties, lack of support play & it is pretty poor when 2 of the players with most go forward are the wingers. We could easily finish up in the middle 8s ,we are dire at the moment.