And all three of those semi final wins led to the same thing...a Grand Final defeat and another year of it not being your year.

Talking of a LONG time, 68 years without being Champions.

We've been Champions more times since 2019 than you lot have been in the entirety of your mediocre history.

History is a very funny thing, five grand final defeats in a row that's an interesting piece of history.

The fact that Saints fans like to look at the Super League period as a starting point of history, that's interesting, otherwise, their success looks mediocre compared to the crust munchers.

History is written on Saturday and the past counts for nothing and I'm hopeful it can be the start of a new era and we won't have to put up with the bleatings of the most ungracious winners in the history of Super League.

Saints had plenty of history pre 1996

But almost zero pre 1960. Saints history began with Alex Murphy.

It’s one game for wire really - Saints away.

I don’t mean that because I think you have no chance, I mean it because if you win that game it will prove something to the squad and the lows of season will be forgotten.

If you beat saints you absolutely can win the GF. I think Saturday will be beyond you but as said above, us saints fans have thought that a few times before in KO games.

Yes you are correct, and that also applies to St Helens.

As ever RD without your predictions I always HOPE you’re right but am never too surprised when it doesn’t come to pass. Still, fingers and everything else crossed!

Absolute tosh

You find solace wherever you can my man. Whilst the level of success experienced by Saints if you ignore the last 63 years may seem like clutching at straws to some, I think everyone is entiltled to do what they need to do to find some good news.

right, friendly agro over, back on topic folks

More than likely it was Jim Sullivan.
I think that Murphy would also agree with that.

I can assure you it isn’t.
St Helens wasn’t even the biggest team in St Helens.
It was Pilks.