Over looking one factor, this strikes me as a seriously underwhelming squad, that shouts out mid-table at best. That factor is the opposition: the drop in standards across the league since 2011-2 means I think we've a decent shot at top 4 even with the dubious quality in a number of positions on show. However, unless we pull another top draw prop out of the bag, and something flash in the three quarters, there's little chance of a final I fear.

So. There we have it. Our squad for next year. It's thinner than Kate Moss on the 0-7 diet.

Forgive for not letting off fireworks, but I'm not exactly getting overly enthused. Yes, we've got Hill, and to a certain extent, Clark and Sandow, who are quality, but yet to see it consistently in a Wire jumper. Incoming, we've got a v. old Aussie, an Aussie prop, a couple of Hull cast offs. The rest, shows some potential/horrific injury records/okish.

Just over 2 years ago, we were in a grand final, and a score away from another Wembley final, with (great) players that were on their last legs .
It all seems a long time ago.

I'm not a pessimist, just a realist.
I'm not hopeful, but, from 1-30, please prove me wrong.

Isn't he 17?

Given the numerous pages regarding Ben Harrison and his "deregistration" I see he's got a squad number still.

No point deregistering him unles you've got someone to deregister him for.

lefy golblatt wrote "I'm not a pessimist"!!

A pessimist has "A tendency to stress the negative or unfavorable or to take the gloomiest possible view".
I think lefty you could be classed as a pessimist.

Look at yourself man. Read some of your posts. Cheer up! It may never happen.

It does look pretty thin, when you see it like that, reasonable first 13 then it drops off a bit.

Plus from this,it was doing my bleeding head in trying to work out who number 11 was for us last year.

Considering the money we appear to have spent, that looks like a very ordinary squad and one where Penny has once again dropped down the pecking order. Sorry, but it doesn't whet my appetite. I think I'll avoid the HJ until results prove me wrong.

That's what playing zero games will do...

Grix was 11, wasn't he?

yes he was, i had to look it up,

Well I am not attending any matches at all until they win 6 in a row. I will sit out the CC as well, although obviously I will pop along to Wembley if they make the final. The trouble with Draper et al, is they simply don't understand us supporters. Take the Catalan away package that the club is now advertising - why should I fork out all that money if I am not fairly certain of a Wire win ? They have not even subsidised it.