Need both of them gone. That team - despite its weaknesses - should have strolled into the top 4.

Sad to say, but i agree,,, Who gave the ok to sign Wheeler, make "av a toastie" one of our highest paid players, continue with the liability that is Atkins, not sign a quality prop for next season, fail to see the dramatic dip`s in form of Mona`s, Harrison and continue with the project that is England?? There are currently some awfully poor errors of judgement taking place at Warrington.... This needs to be nipped in the bud NOW!

Two of our tries scored by a player leaving and the other one by a player who Smith only plays when no-one else is available.

I thought the exact same thing.

Really? I don't see that at all. I think we're comfortably below top 4 quality.

We've got some excellent individuals but they are few and far between and for each one of those we have extremely poor players/performers, we've had no kicking game all season, we've had no leading half all season, we've got a distinct lack of pace and line-breaking power in the pack, our pack doesn't play the ball quick enough as they are quite weak and undersized bar Chris Hill or just plain slow so we lose the ruck battle a lot, and we have a lot of very young players who aren't capable of taking game changing responsibly on a regular basis yet, some of which are actually out of their depth at this level as the jump from 19s to first team has been too big for them.

That's not a team who should comfortably walk into the top four. We're no better than Hull and I actually think Catalans are better than us, never mind the five teams above us. Despite us having some excellent individuals our whole product is average.

And add to all that we don't play in a way to get the best of the team and have absolutely no structure to our attack and have very little line speed in defence. I also think we look out of shape as a team.

Oops mean't to just put I think we're comfortably below top 4quality. I couldn't agree more mate.

On that basis we have overachieved this season by finishing above hull in the regular season? Not many players out of Huddersfield and cas sides that I would have ahead of our current lot.

Perhaps he should have set up his account as the un-speculator?!

I believe from the posts on here that most would agree that the current season starting team with the right coaching and game plans would have easily made the top 4. Currently at this end of the season we are definitely below top 4 quality.

The question are where did this change and who is a fault? answer these questions and the rectification process can start. Personally I don't care who's at fault, but the hierarchy are responsible for putting it right starting with the team coaches and management. I would trust that messers Draper and Moran would get involved if they had to.

Something has to be done or we will be in a right mess at the end of the Super 8's

Top post - Surely Moran and Draper won't put up with much more of this?

This squad and coaching staff have under performed for large chunks of the season, and as you say doesn't matter who's fault it is it needs seriously addressing.

Whether we finish 6th, 7th or 8th is neither here or there, it's a shocking indictment of the season.

Snag I don't believe you got that idea from my posts
I've been saying for 2 seasons we need a quality prop and halfback. The very reason I've been harping on about R&B to address the poor backs and lightweight pack.
I thought that was blindingly obvious. Swapping a coach without team investment would make as much diffence as to not change anything.