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| Quote Wire Yed="Wire Yed"You sometimes find that the natural players, those born with the gift are the ones that struggle to coach, they just had talent and find it hard to convey that to others.
The ones who really had to work on it are the ones that know how to improve, look at football Fergie pretty average footballer, Mourinho didn't even play and Wenger was a nobody.'"
people said that Glenn Hoddle used to get frustrated on the training ground because the players couldn't do what he was asking them to... So the players knew what he wanted, he would do it to show them how it was done... I think he fell out with Beckham at England training over something similar. |
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I wouldn't write Briers off but the other angle to why great players often don't do well as coaches is that usually they are very inexperienced, ie they get a head coach job early in their coaching career on the back of their name as a player, and they aren't experienced enough and make a botch of it and that kills their career.
The guys that didn't make it as a player in football, like Wenger, Mourinho, Andre Vilas Boas, have been doing coaching since their early to mid 20s, so by the time they are mid-late 30 they have bags of experience.
I'm not writing Briers off as a coach I'm just saying its not necessarily the solution to our problems in replacing him, just having him on the coaching staff.
If we want some added experience as a halfback coach, Sean Long has just been released by London Broncos.... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/26316575 |
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I wouldn't write Briers off but the other angle to why great players often don't do well as coaches is that usually they are very inexperienced, ie they get a head coach job early in their coaching career on the back of their name as a player, and they aren't experienced enough and make a botch of it and that kills their career.
The guys that didn't make it as a player in football, like Wenger, Mourinho, Andre Vilas Boas, have been doing coaching since their early to mid 20s, so by the time they are mid-late 30 they have bags of experience.
I'm not writing Briers off as a coach I'm just saying its not necessarily the solution to our problems in replacing him, just having him on the coaching staff.
If we want some added experience as a halfback coach, Sean Long has just been released by London Broncos.... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/26316575 | |
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Quote morleys_deckchair="morleys_deckchair"people said that Glenn Hoddle used to get frustrated on the training ground because the players couldn't do what he was asking them to... So the players knew what he wanted, he would do it to show them how it was done... I think he fell out with Beckham at England training over something similar.'"
OT but an interesting read on Glenn Hoddle: this is a blog post by Rohan Ricketts who played for Spurs under him sabotagetimes.com/reportage/how- ... sing-room/
Quote morleys_deckchairWhat was interesting was how he spoke to players. His man management skills were, how can I say, different. Part of the problem was that he was such a good player – even long after he retired – and he expected everyone else to be able to do what he could.
There was one time in training when we were working on free-kicks and he told one senior player, “If you can’t do this then I don’t know why you’re even playing football”. When we were all at Wolves together after Spurs, Hoddle held me and Paul Ince in high esteem but anyone who had a faint heart would feel overwhelmed by him.
Another problem for Glenn was that he is very spiritual which doesn’t sit right in football because most people are very superficial. I remember one time there was a player who was injured and the manager put his hand on their knee. The player was like “what?!” The gaffer had a strong belief that we are more powerful than we think we are but I’m still not exactly sure what he was trying to do.'" |
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Quote morleys_deckchair="morleys_deckchair"people said that Glenn Hoddle used to get frustrated on the training ground because the players couldn't do what he was asking them to... So the players knew what he wanted, he would do it to show them how it was done... I think he fell out with Beckham at England training over something similar.'"
OT but an interesting read on Glenn Hoddle: this is a blog post by Rohan Ricketts who played for Spurs under him sabotagetimes.com/reportage/how- ... sing-room/
Quote morleys_deckchairWhat was interesting was how he spoke to players. His man management skills were, how can I say, different. Part of the problem was that he was such a good player – even long after he retired – and he expected everyone else to be able to do what he could.
There was one time in training when we were working on free-kicks and he told one senior player, “If you can’t do this then I don’t know why you’re even playing football”. When we were all at Wolves together after Spurs, Hoddle held me and Paul Ince in high esteem but anyone who had a faint heart would feel overwhelmed by him.
Another problem for Glenn was that he is very spiritual which doesn’t sit right in football because most people are very superficial. I remember one time there was a player who was injured and the manager put his hand on their knee. The player was like “what?!” The gaffer had a strong belief that we are more powerful than we think we are but I’m still not exactly sure what he was trying to do.'" | |
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Didn't Hoddle bring a spiritualist in to lift his players fortunes ? Even Mystic Meg couldn't get me 6 winning lottery numbers.
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Quote ninearches="ninearches"Didn't Hoddle bring a spiritualist in to lift his players fortunes ? Even Mystic Meg couldn't get me 6 winning lottery numbers.'"
Eileen Drury i believe her name was... faith healer.
He was the last manager to lose the England managers job for non football reasons i believe.. Didn't he come out and publicly say that disabled people were being punished for something they had done in a past life? |
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I think his words were taken out of context.
He said something along the lines of ..We're born with 2 arms 2 legs and half a brain for a reason.
The media then reflected that if you didn't have these then that was also for a reason.
That labour sports minister tony somebody put pressure on to get him removed as coach.
Even so it was a pretty dumb thing to say.
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It has been touched on already here, but how does somebody coach what was instinctive to them to other players who don't have them instincts?
Can you coach instinct?
Briers could coach the players about scenarios, i.e. if this happens, then do this, but if something else happens then actually do this instead etc.
If it is not instinctive to the player he is coaching then the player will have to think about the scenario and by the time his thought process has worked out the play the scenario requires, the opportunity may be gone or he been tackled.
The reason Briers was so good and could unlock a defence, was that he didn't have to think about it. It was instinctive.
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Most coahes dont coach "moves" because the chance of all the aspects being right i.e players in the corect position defense being where we want them, speed of the ptb etc etc are very rarely correct. So they coach individual aspects and let the players put the rest together on the pitch "play whats in front of you" is whats needed in a game?
And this only happens with confidence of the attaking players with each other and this takes time to happen.
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Well again it comes down in the end to players and the quality of the execution.
When a team has a poor kicking game, its usually because of poor kicking, not that the attacking coach has told the kicker to put every kick straight to the opposition fullback.
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Just watched the 2012 CCF again, how far we have fallen from then until now. Our spread plays were so slick and incisive, Hodgson having as much influence as Briers.
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Watch 2009 again.
Never seen Warrington so switch on and attack minded in a single game since Boyd's memorable Premiership win v Halifax.
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And this only happens with confidence of the attaking players with each other and this takes time to happen.'"
So what does TS do....play Myler who hasn't got the natural ability but has bags of confidence & thinks he's undroppable.....or play G O'B who's got natural ability but not much confidence due to TS dropping him or shipping out to different clubs. A run of games would do G O'Bs confidence & in due course game & attacking skills the world of good. Mylers supposed to be one of our main playmakers & is one of our highest paid players. |
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