and this one.

in fact, I know I take the out of you Wigan fans (I know you are watching- you are like Gollum in the lord of the rings; always hiding in the shadows [ironically it is your ours this time]) but can you stick that on a big flag please. Pretty please. With a cherry on top. And sprinkles!!!

Right. Let's get this into some sort of perspective.

Bailey is a widge of the first order. He sums up all the bad things that happen in our game....thuggery, cheap shots, trying to wind up the opposition and crowd to excess, 'picks on' the more vulnerable members of opposition side....funnily enough, I've never seen him do it to Morley, etc, all this with being 'not very good' at the same time. I know this isn't patriotic, but I really do hope a particularly large Aussie/Kiwi 'sorts him out', and he gets suitably embarrassed. He might grow-up a touch.

But, can we take this seriously....it's come from Wilkin, FFS. The biggest crybaby I've ever known in our sport. Bleats all the time, when something doesn't go his/Stains way. A defeat is never his/Stains fault. It really is time for him to 'put a sock in it' and just concentrate on his rugby.
As someone said earlier in this thread, when the England 'team' meet up in a few days time, Wilkin and Bailey's first contact may be a 'touch frosty'

to be fair im quite a fan of wilkin he is one of those players who puts in all the hard work and never gets noticed for it only this year he has been getting the credit he deserves, he leads that saints team he can play 6,7,11,13 hes a good useful utility player his kicking and tackling is really good ive watched him for a few years now and hes really come of age these last few years saints are not the same team without him and if you watch him he leads everybody around the pitch im sure he will shine in this years 4 nations would love to see him in a wire shirt one day

Yes , Wilkin is class. What i dont understand is how a thread is started about him telling the truth about Bailey has ended up as an assasination about how bad he supposedly is as a rugby league player.

I disagree eith you slightly. I like wilkin as a player. He is class (when he is playing) and never offends me. Wellens's arm waving or graham's dummy spits have been worse recently. Also if we think back to he annoyed anyone (the incestious pies) he waS spot on. Lima has displayed those self same 5hithouse tactics all year and wilkin was proven right.

I am pretty tired, had a busy weekend,

However, the yawn, was in response at the desperation for an influx of Leeds fans to respond to the obvious fish hook minus any decent bait.

Ill neither defend nor berate him in the same way a Wigan fan denies any wrongdoing by Tomkins, a Wire fan would have you believe Briers is an angel or a Saints fan would tell you Sculthorpe was a genuine Saint.

One thing is for certain though,

He gets fans of other clubs wound up to a monumental degree,

but just lately hes got under the skins of a number of players who rightly or wrongly have vented their frustration publicly.

I absolutely cannot stand Ryan Bailey, but the last time he played for GB I thought he did pretty well.

I'm also not against seeing us (England) try and ruffle Australia & NZ, as I'm not sure we are going to tip toe around them. When we battered NZ 3-0 a couple of years ago, Burgess had Moi Moi at it etc, all fired up. I think their eye can be taken of the ball so he may just have a purpose.

As for him personally, nobody will ever convince me he's anything other than a tool.

Bailey is a thug and a coward.
His alleged off field antics only support this.

Our sport doesn't need him.

Got to agree with LG here. Bailey is a first class tool, see his cheap shot on Chris Riley at Wembley for evidence. But Jon Wilkin? Come on, this bloke is a serious whingebag. In fact, wasn't it him who went snitching to the ref about Lima in the first game of the season and demanded he put him on report. If he was so wound up about Bailey, why didn't he do something about it there and then instead of whining about it in a newspaper? Probably because the last time he started on a leeds player, Keith Senior dropped him with one punch.

Bailey is thuggish. But then so are alot of Superleague players.

Coward. "A person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things."

Anyone who plays RL cannot be described as a coward regardless.

Yes, our sport does need him for this exact reason!

What would we be talking about right now? What would Jon Wilkin & Jamie Foster have to whinge about?
He gets under players skins, he puts them off, distracts them, gets penalties,

And as a Leeds fan, hes had his best season yet

Or because he isn't a two bit thug, maybe?

If I recall correctly Wilkin was asking the ref to get control of the game, at MM, because lima was doing several bad tackles and, what do you know, Wilkin was proven right and Lima has been doin those tactics all year and has copped many bans for it.

Can't argue with that, really. Only a wigan fan would (cause they think their team is full of angels)

He might not be a out and out coward but he does have a yellow streak, typical flat-track bully.