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| Quote Wires71="Wires71"It is often said that WWII was timed perfectly to end the great depression. More often the great depression is cited as one of the reasons for Hitlers rise to power. Who knows.'"
Hitler strived at the helm of the nazi party because of the great depression, germany were already in the dire straits after the first world war but then the wall street crash worsened the situation. People were turning to radical views at times where radical thing needed to happen. He told them everything they wanted to hear like how Germany had the right to have an army and that they were superior to others. He got votes because the reichstag was made up from ex-WW1 commanders, they had already failed in Germany's eyes at the war and now they were trying to run a country. |
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Quote wearethewire="wearethewire"Why would George bush cause such terror and destruction, still i think they must have had some idea it was going to happen.'"
Because the bloke is obsessed by Oil and the control of utilities, and the attack on the twin towers was the perfect justification for the 'War On Terror' which has resulted in America controlling the main oil lines through Iraq, Pakistan, Turkmenistan & Afghanistan via a company called Centgas. Just one example of America's aggressive imperialism.
Just a few scarey facts about George W Bush Jnr and his powerful family.......
- George Bush Jnr was kicked out the US Navy in 1971 for dessertion. He escaped jail because his Dad was State Governor of Texas at the time.
- Osama Bin Ladens dad loaned George W Bush Jnr $20 million dollars to set up his own oil company based in Houston, Texas in 1973.
- On September 12th 2001 a private jet owned by the Bush family flew 26 members of the Bin Landen family out of the US to the UAE for their own personal safety following fears of reprisals against them. This was despite the FAA declaring North America as a no-fly zone.
For anyone interested follow the link below.....
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Quote wearethewire="wearethewire"Why would George bush cause such terror and destruction, still i think they must have had some idea it was going to happen.'"
Because the bloke is obsessed by Oil and the control of utilities, and the attack on the twin towers was the perfect justification for the 'War On Terror' which has resulted in America controlling the main oil lines through Iraq, Pakistan, Turkmenistan & Afghanistan via a company called Centgas. Just one example of America's aggressive imperialism.
Just a few scarey facts about George W Bush Jnr and his powerful family.......
- George Bush Jnr was kicked out the US Navy in 1971 for dessertion. He escaped jail because his Dad was State Governor of Texas at the time.
- Osama Bin Ladens dad loaned George W Bush Jnr $20 million dollars to set up his own oil company based in Houston, Texas in 1973.
- On September 12th 2001 a private jet owned by the Bush family flew 26 members of the Bin Landen family out of the US to the UAE for their own personal safety following fears of reprisals against them. This was despite the FAA declaring North America as a no-fly zone.
For anyone interested follow the link below.....
www.loosechange911.com/ | |
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i do actually find all this 911 conspiracy theory stuff quite interesting
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| Quote wearethewire="wearethewire"i do actually find all this 911 conspiracy theory stuff quite interesting'"
Read a book called 'The New Pearl Harbour' by David Ray Griffin. It isn't about conspiracy theories, its very fact based and asks alot of questions of the US Government. It makes very scarey reading and really hits home that 9/11 was known about a long time before it happened by the Bush administration. When you read the facts you'll sit and seriously think about who the good guys are, and who the bad ones are. |
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| Quote wearethewire="wearethewire"Hitler strived at the helm of the nazi party because of the great depression, germany were already in the dire straits after the first world war but then the wall street crash worsened the situation. People were turning to radical views at times where radical thing needed to happen. He told them everything they wanted to hear like how Germany had the right to have an army and that they were superior to others. He got votes because the reichstag was made up from ex-WW1 commanders, they had already failed in Germany's eyes at the war and now they were trying to run a country.'"
That's near-as-damn-it a perfect summary.
The only bit is about the WW1 commanders, and involves a different conspiracy theory.
At the end of the war, Hindenburg and Ludendorff knew that the game was up, so they voluntarily reliniquished power to the civilian politicians.
The civillians then signed the peace treaty, which was a pretty brutal treaty by anyone's standards (Marshal Foch called it a 'twenty year armistice'). The civillians got all the grief, and the main signatory Mathias Erzberger ended up murdered.
The WW1 commanders sat back and let their underlings and sympathisers spread the 'Dolchstosslegende' (stab-in-the-back legend), which suggested that the German army had not been beaten, but had been betrayed by the civillians. That helped Hitler and other extremists.
So, there was a conspiracy theory, just not the one everyone thinks! |
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yeah Germany had no way of actually winning the war and Hilter insisted tht they could have carried on and the country was stabbed in the back by the people who signed the treaty of versailles. This was the newly formed Weimar Government, it was the major flaws in the organisation of this that allowed him to gain so much power. For example the whole proportional representation thing, no one could agree in the reichstag so no laws could be passed. The president just passed them without consulting the parliment ( because he could), it defeated the object of it. The biggest flaw though in the Weimar was article 48, the president could take full power if public unrest broke out, this was decided by him. Hitler had his army set fire to the reichstag so he would say to hindenburg this was the first step of the communists so article 48 could be brought into play.
MAD STUFF EH/?
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Not sure the rise of the Nazis is really a conspiracy.
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| Quote wearethewire="wearethewire"yeah Germany had no way of actually winning the war and Hilter insisted tht they could have carried on and the country was stabbed in the back by the people who signed the treaty of versailles. This was the newly formed Weimar Government, it was the major flaws in the organisation of this that allowed him to gain so much power. For example the whole proportional representation thing, no one could agree in the reichstag so no laws could be passed. The president just passed them without consulting the parliment ( because he could), it defeated the object of it. The biggest flaw though in the Weimar was article 48, the president could take full power if public unrest broke out, this was decided by him. Hitler had his army set fire to the reichstag so he would say to hindenburg this was the first step of the communists so article 48 could be brought into play.
MAD STUFF EH/?'"
It was indeed. And Hitler wasn't even the first one to invoke it- the Social Democrat coalition did it in around 1928, as I recall.
The irony is, the country that looked the most likely to be taken over by fascists at that time was France. |
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| Quote Urmston Wire="Urmston Wire"It was indeed. And Hitler wasn't even the first one to invoke it- the Social Democrat coalition did it in around 1928, as I recall.
The irony is, the country that looked the most likely to be taken over by fascists at that time was France.'"
What about Italy which already had a Fascist government? |
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| Quote The All New Chester Wire="The All New Chester Wire"Not sure the rise of the Nazis is really a conspiracy.'"
You're right, it wasn't a conspiracy- but they rose to power partly because they claimed to have found a different conspiracy. |
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Ah right, get you now. Very interesting period of history for Europe - 1900 to 1939.
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I can understand why the Nazis rose to power. When we went through the recent recession all of the tabloids and various politicians explained it as due to mass immigration and immigrants taking our jobs, homes and resources. Even some of the Labour politicians now say they "understand working class concerns over immigrants"
The Germans were being fed the same sort of propaganda back then that the depression was due to the jews draining their money and resources, so maybe the Nazis just "understood working class concerns over Jews"
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