Thing is Rob, we didn't put in a performance to really 'out' their pack did we, being honest?

You look at say, Wembley, for example we asked so many questions of that Leeds pack, and basically forced them to admit that they didn't have answers. Similarly at Wigan, after the first 10 mins there when we didn't complete a set, we forced mistakes, we got repeat sets etc, and really made them dig deep. We made it easy for Saints last night for the most part and we got we deserved.

If we can get back to KR, or wherever. Get a fair split of posession, territory and all that, we'll then see how good this Saints pack is, last night, we boxed with one hand behind our back really, and we've nobody to blame for that.

We didn't put our best foot forward last night, just like we didn't in France, or when we played Leeds at the HJ (The last time I felt this flat). Both times, we learnt from those games, came up with a different set of tactics, and prevailed.

Saints and Warrington appear to following a very similar path, both doing well in the Challenge Cup when conditions really suit us, but falling down at the back end of the season when the weather closes in. We played the conditions far better last night, but would still prefer to play the next round and hopefully GF in the dry, particularly against Wigan who like a slow game.

if you do win

There's another thread on this board asking why Wigan don't like Warrington fans. Just read your own post for an answer! You think Warrington CAN win the GF despite finishing 2 places and over a hundred points difference below Wigan, can't beat Saints, didn't even make the playoffs only a season ago and, to my knowledge have only ever won one playoff game in their entire history! (apologies if this isn't correct). Yet the League leaders (and therefore the best and most consistant team in the comp) who, this season, have demonstrated they can beat everyone left in the playoffs and who have been 80 mins from the GF for the last 2 consecutive seasons CAN'T win it. You couldn't make it up...oh, my mistake, you just did!

Its not rocket science really, you havn't won a major trophy for 8 years which says that Wigan aint the force that they used to be and nobody fears them like they did during the glory years. You need viagra these days to get past a semi, Leeds, Saints and Warrington have all proven in recent times that they have the credentials to make it to a major final. Where are you credentials other than falling at the last hurdle or before ?

Where are Wigan's recent credentials to say they can make it past a semi ? Like i said, its hardly rocket science that i'd take either Saints, Leeds or Warrington ahead of Wigan to win the grand final based on recent evidence of knock out rugby as thats what you should be going on.

Being consistent over a season doesn't make you a good knock out side, look at your record on the big occasion in some of the recent games at the DW stadium, lost to Warrington, St Helens and Huddersfield. Yeh thats impressive form going into the play offs.

and people like you getting your facts wrong are the reason the feeling goes both ways...muppet!

2001
Warrington 56 v 22 St. Helens

Not Knowsley Road.

Where does it say Knowsley Road

80mins from the Grand Final is not quite 2 Challenge Cup finals at Wembley now is it?

I am not one to enter into tit for tat arguments and I have been impressed with Wigan this season. But you do leave out the fact we have won back to back silverware and we beat you at home. Very convenient.

There was me thinking that everyone is entitled to an opinion, how wrong I am.

I still remember that game.

Anthony Sullivan giving Ian Sibbit one of the easiest tries he could ever score.

Paul Newlove getting sent off.

Good time's