OK for me if he is staying which I think is most likely as the club would have acted by now.

I want to see changes elsewhere with the reserve grade being proper next year we have to make the right choices.

Hendo to reserve coach. With the view to become first team coach having layed the platform for players in the reserve to come into the first team and know the style of play and set loves etc. With ideally m monaghan as assistant to price.

Ade Gardner has a lot to answer for our fitness levels this year have taken a massive dive in prices first year it seemed we could defend for days now we are not able to maintain any level of intensity for the full 80.

Lee Briers, what us his roll, you would expect more from us going forward with him in the set up but we don't seem to be clicking, and Patton has mot improved or added anything you think Briers has been involved there

Somthing that shows the club are making changes for to seek improvement for next year.

I think we are a bit too caught up sometimes in knee jerj reactions this season was terrible and we played some terrible rugby and the effort levels from the team at times were not what they should have been, but we're losing sight if possibly the bigger decisions being made and that's with the reserve grade we want wane because if the success he had at Wigan look how he started and progressed and the players he coached before they were first team players that's a huge part to his success the team and academy was all geared up to the same style of play and ethics it jyst helped ensure there would be a steady flow of players capable of doing a job until someone new pushes them out. Marshall could force manfredi or burgess into a move away from Wigan...that should be our goal.

If we buy into the reserve team and invest and make changes to help price get better performances out of the team then I will be once again optimistic going into the new season. If there's no real change just widdop to turn our fortunes around then I'll probably just stick to watching sky games.

I have watched Featherstone rovers in the play off games on sky and what I would give for our side to show the commitment and team spirit they have. And they have payed some good rugby in getting to the final.

Let us not forget. We went totally downhill once we lost Ratch for a large chunk of the season. Once he came back in he lifted for a knockout game but one player coming back doesn't get you out a slump. just as though it was looking as though we could get back to winning ways we lost Blake. Those are two massive players to lose on the field. When Blake came back you could tell he was still playing on one leg.

For me our issue is that we looked utterly knackered in the last quarter of the season. Every time someone made a break there was never anybody in support. If you watch saints this season anytime someone gets half a nose through a gap there are ALWAYS options either side of him, ALWAYS at least 3 players backing the runner up.

Im not surprised we look knacked an all. its the first bloody set and we've got 3 backs taking the first three drives in our first set of the game!! The backs are knackered and our front line relies of Hill and Cooper playing 50 minutes at lease and Daryl playing the full 80 week in, week out.

We need 2 Hill/Cooper style props and a proper lose forward ASAP. lets the forwards work like forwards and the backs work like backs. I'm all for the backs coming in and taking a bit of work off the forwards every now and then but not in the first set of the game, thats the time you pack should be knocking the opposition around and asserting some authority ffs.

No, which is why you have teams like us, Hull, Catalans winning the odd trophy, Wigan still hanging in there and Saints being clearly the best team but struggling to assert their dominance. There's a power vacuum waiting to be filled.

I bet it will be Wigan, Saints or Leeds who fill it though and not us...

There was one play in the Castleford game that highlighted to me where we are at.
Cas kicked the ball and Charnley picked it up, he was tackled 2 yards from our own try line. The next carry was going to be a tough one and Toby King was next up. He should have run straight and as hard and as fast as he could with no thought for self preservation but instead he ran across the try line trying to isolate a smaller defender and then got bundled behind his own try line for a drop out. I like Toby King (no Greg Inglis) but at Wembley he was probably in the same position on at least 2 occasions and just ran straight and hard.
So when the players want to they can do the small things that make a difference but there are a lot more times recently where they don't do those repeated efforts.

There are loads of those little examples that go unnoticed during a game where a player has to make a choice to put the effort in or not.
Kick pressure,
Chasing a kick that looks like a lost cause.
Going third into a tackle to control the attacker or just get back in the defensive line.
Running a convincing line even though you may not get the ball.
A lot of people think we have given up the charge down since Tony Smith left. I think we just don't have the effort to get to the kicker.

I’m sure we have given up on he charge down and at the risk of sounding Folau like, praise the lord.

Disagree. With that squad we should at least be finishing in the top 3 and competing for both finals as an absolute minimum.

Funnily enough we saw more than one in that last game vs Castleford

I saw the Toby King thing differently, I thought he was given a right hospital pass and hung out to dry.

Cas were wound up hunting an error and flying out of the defensive line and who gets the job to make the hard yards? Akuola? Cooper? Hill? No, a centre.

I think it was Austin who was at acting half back.and if he'd dummied and gone himself there was a large gap behind the on-rushing defence, instead he did King up like a kipper.

I genuinely believe the club custodians are happy with the outcome from this season.

They won't be happy when the season tickets are up for renewal. I really can't see anything but the numbers dropping. No reason for optimism, even if we sign a couple of props the poop rugby on display has really turned the fans off.

I believe a fair few season ticket renewals will be dependent on who we sign as a prop or indeed IF we sign one.

The outcome has been good. There are 2 major trophies every season and if you win one of them, it has been a good season in the context of history. For some clubs like Halifax, Sheffield Eagles, Catalans, their cup wins are iconic seasons, highlights in their history.

I guess the question that is unsettling Wire fans is, was that Cup win a nice highlight along the journey to us being the best team in SL, or was it just a brief diversion from us being in a frustrating plateau.

The analogy here is Man Utd in Ferguson's early days vs United under Van Gaal/Mourinho. In Ferguson's early days, they picked up an FA Cup and European Cup Winners' Cup while Fergie was slowly assembling a squad which was set to dominate. They weren't quite there in the league at the time but you could see something special was building. When they won the FA Cup under Van Gaal and Europa League under Mourinho, it was like...yes, fair enough, but are we really gaining ground on City/Chelsea? At the moment we're like a Van Gaal/Mourinho United with a trophy, rather than early Ferguson.

Not really manure got rid of van gaal after he won the fa Cup based on their league performances got rid of mourinio n moyes based on their league performances....so completely different we have a coach whose style or rugby is basic and we cannot get the team diingbthe basics.

Thats a fair analogy although I dont think the outcome has been good enough at all. The cup win avoids the season being classed as an unmitigated disaster but but hardly good. We are not building like an early SAF United, we are stagnant.

No the analogy only works if we get rid of price. The cup wins for van gaal and mourhinio did not save their jobs did they nor were they counted as a successful season which we are saying we had as we won the cc. Our performances and league position are terrible and would earn the coach the sack at man United.