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| I don't quite get all the negativity - Its pretty simple really.
Tony Smith has 2 full seasons as Head Coach, with Agar has his senior first team coach..... Agar will, I presume, be very hands-on with the players, building relationships and bringing in some of his own ideas.
Now, if those two seasons are successful, then imagine how Agar's stock will rise with both the players and the fans? - He will be the obvious successor to Smith, all this talk of him not being good enough will be laughable, and we will have a silky-smooth succession to Smith's throne.
If the opposite happens, and our form tails off and we end up trophyless, with little sign of any forthcoming glory, then Agar will be simply ushered out with little fuss and Plan B (of which, I have little doubt, there will be one), will be put into place.
The more I see our season unfold, the more I'm convinced that Smith and Simon Moran have a very smart long term plan in place, both with regards to the playing and coaching side of things.
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "
The more I see our season unfold, the more I'm convinced that Smith and Simon Moran have a very smart long term plan in place, both with regards to the playing and coaching side of things.'"
In Smith & Mr Moran we trust.
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| Good to see that common sense has generally been applied.
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| If Agar is so good at spotting talent, then this should be a great move for us. Other than Hill (and maybe England in time), our strategy now is bringing in big-name players who don't require much in the way of spotting, and even then they don't always meet our expectations...
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| Quote: Jaywire "If Agar is so good at spotting talent, then this should be a great move for us. Other than Hill (and maybe England in time), our strategy now is bringing in big-name players who don't require much in the way of spotting, and even then they don't always meet our expectations...'"
Hill was never really the enigma many think. He was outstanding in 2010/11 and there was plenty of interest in him from other clubs.
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| Wonder whether we encouraged him to stand down? Wouldn't have looked good if Trin were relegated under his watch then it was announced he would be moving here.
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| It doesn't look good now, just based off his track record.
I saw some dingbat on Twitter last night saying wire fans shouldn't get oit knickers in a twist, after all we took Cullen on and agar is miles and miles better than that.
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| I quite happy with this. We still have the best coach in Superleague for an extra 2 years, we've been so close to winning the big one and it would be brilliant to see him finish what he started before he goes.
As for Agar, presumably by the end of this 2 years we will all know whether he is up to the job or not. If Smith had been going at the end of the season with Agar replacing him...then I would've been seriously urined off.
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| Quote: WazzaWire "I quite happy with this. We still have the best coach in Superleague for an extra 2 years, we've been so close to winning the big one and it would be brilliant to see him finish what he started before he goes.
As for Agar, presumably by the end of this 2 years we will all know whether he is up to the job or not. If Smith had been going at the end of the season with Agar replacing him...then I would've been seriously urined off.'"
Pretty much my thoughts. He comes in as Smith's number 2, ignore the 'First Team Coach' title he has - Poaching had the same I think and is just a left over from when we brought in Smith to work above Lowes. It will be Smith's team, his recruitment, his training techniques, his tactics. Agar will I'm sure discuss with Smith new ways of doing things, if Smith likes them great, if not we carry on as we are.
There is also no official comment from the club or Smith that Agar is being groomed to be Smiths replacement. I think TS is very happy at Warrington and especially working for Simon Moran. I expect Smith will see out this contract then sign another one, the challenge of constantly keeping a side at the competition is a huge one, and I doubt Smith would get anything like the board level support he gets at Wire anywhere else.
What we have now is a very experienced no. 2, with hopefully Monas to come in as well - whats wrong with that?
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| There was an article in the League Weekly a few months back about all the planning for the future Smith and Moran are doing. I couldn't think of two better people to steer us onwards and upwards, I can't see the good times ending anytime soon.
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| 1. Appointing Agar and extending Smith's contract guarantees both continuity and stability at the club. The players know what to expect, new recruits know the set up they will be joining, and the long term planning that has already been discussed between Moran and Smith can be carried through to completion.
2. Smith knows Agar very well - they get on, and that is extremely important. If a new head coach came in, there would be no guarantee of a close relationship between the two.
3. The coaching style and tactics appear to be very similar between the two of them (according to Smith).
4. If Agar is successful and gets the backing of the players, then he is available to seamlessly take over from Smith when he moves on.
So lots of positives, but the big question for me is how successful Agar is likely to be. Smith is a proven winner of cups, but Agar is not. It is pretty obvious when a player is any good or not, because we can see their performance on the field, but I am not sure as fans how we will know if Agar is a top coach or not until / if he takes over.
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| Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "It doesn't look good now, just based off his track record.
I saw some dingbat on Twitter last night saying wire fans shouldn't get oit knickers in a twist, after all we took Cullen on and agar is miles and miles better than that.'"
He under achieved at Hull, but in the past 15 years every coach barring John Kear has done that at Hull. He initially built a reasonable side at Wakefield for very little money, only to see it dismantled twice due to problems that were out of his hands. I doubt Jack Gibson could do very much with the current Wakefield squad.
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| Wakefield and Hull have used Agar as the fall guy and the fans have bought it.
Wakey has had financial problems that stopped him building a sustainable and strong squad.
Hull.. Well, Hull hasn't had a good coach for a while so maybe there's an issue with the chairman getting on with people..
With the wallet of Moran and guidance from TS, Agar has the recipe to be a great coach, hence his excitement to join us.
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| Quote: Vespid_Wire "Wakefield and Hull have used Agar as the fall guy and the fans have bought it.
With the wallet of Moran and guidance from TS, Agar has the recipe to be a great coach, hence his excitement to join us.'"
...and don't forget that we are by and large a non moaning fan base
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "...and don't forget that we are by and large a non moaning fan base'"
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