i think for a new coach coming in, there were alot of positives to take out of this game.

of course were not as good as saints.. if we were, we wouldn't have to be constantly sacking coaches and replacing players on mass.

But as far as this season goes, its probably over very soon.

Fair point this, Chambers is essentially in pre-season mode trying to effect change while still preparing for matches. It just brings back that frustration of the inaction by the board back in the summer. We had 2 spells where we had a week off, either side of the Wakefield and Catalan fixtures, when everyone knew Powell was going and ultimately it was about money (allegedly).

We could have had a 6 week mini-pre-season, with 2 matches (one very winnable) in the middle, and maybe been better prepared to get in the 6 with games to spare and have the chance to rest and rotate at that point. Instead we didn’t pull the trigger, wasted a chance to win at Wakefield, changing coach with a 5 day turnaround, essentially rendering the Catalan game useless.

Since then, we’ve competed in every fixture. Won’t be happy with the losses to Leeds and Salford but we had chances to win both of those games, same as Friday.

I’m not sure it comes in a liquid.

As annoying as the last four years must have been, surely you'd want to see that extended for one more year than seeing Wigan preening about the place? They are bad enough without actually being successful.

Saints are worse, even before you take into account any sort of lack of grace or humility in victory.

Their utter lack of self awareness is hilarious, the hypocrisy of going on about all the messing around in the ruck, slow ptb and refereeing ruining the game, if all those aspects where cleared up then Saints would be the biggest losers, its like Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Pies have always been scum but St Helens is like New Labour portraying one thing but being something else.

Not a chance..tbh I hope Salford beat cats and we lose at Huddersfield just to put us out of our misery

If we finish 6th and play saints away and beat them they're out. Be some performance even by their standards to make the final then!

I'm hoping Tomkins retires with a brand new a GF ring in his pocket. Anything to break the Stains/Wigan stranglehold.

You know how good they are with appeals, so there is a chance.

you know, i was watching the dragons leeds game back yesterday, thats a huuuge rebuild in terms of bodies and talent catalans have on their hands.

if they dont win the GF or even make the GF would their season be considered a bust like ours? a missed opportunity of 2013 proportions.

Wigan fans are tolerable compared to saints fans as we've all seen this season..Leeds at home with the red coated woman finger pointing at the Leeds coach..saints fans crying about refs having it in for them when committing a foul act..still got memories of there horrid behaviour after our win at Wembley...

Hull KR are quietly going about their business. Secured in the play offs, going to Leigh in the first round. Leigh have Wigan this week, and ordinarily you would expect them to fancy their chances (and still might) but you’d expect some players rested. Hull KR have Wakefield, no bad blood, no local rivalry, I’d bet you see wholesale changes to rest for the playoffs.

I’m not suggesting that they will win it, they are just a dangerous team that could throw a spanner in the works. Inexplicably, we’re shorter odds (16/1) than them (20’s).

HKR could still finish 4th and might well do

This! They come over as a very 'snide' bunch in their chanting, I don't know how else to describe it? The way they've chanted our songs back at us at certain points. And it's horrible how they go deathly quiet until its safe to cheer, see last Friday for a perfect example. Spoilt, the lot of them, and I cannot stand them. Much rather see Wigan win it out of the two.

I'm not d about either of them. My only gripe with them is their existence only highlights how e we are....

To be honest, I'd sooner they win it than anyone else, as if their (& Leeds's) dominance over the SL title is to be broke, I want it to be by us and not Catalans, Hull KR & definitely not Leigh.