In addition to the points mentioned, a big one for me, especially against Wigan, is adapting our lie on time at the ruck. If the ref isn't penalising prolonged lying on, then we need to lengthen our lying on time to match.

We'll be fine though and as others have said, we did well to compete given our lack of props.

Referee and video ref were poor but we were worse. Wigan wanted it more and that’s alarming. Powell isn’t at fault either, why is he picking two wingers on the bench? I know Jamie Redecliffe pretty well and he doesn’t take a backwards step, runs hard and tackles hard so not sure why he wasn’t on the bench. Powell got it wrong tonight and we need a big reaction next Thursday.

Jonh, I'm not sure, as tonight's video ref, that you should have come on here defending your decisions so soon?...

No problem with that loss, we were absolutely second best and yet were never fully put away by a team playing well and up for it. We looked jaded tonight and that’s fair enough but we’re good enough to still compete in such circumstances. Hope we can scrape a win next week and then we should be back to full tilt after the international break. I think losing sooner rather than later is a good thing in a way and that a loss I can take with plenty of positives. Kendall poor but Wigan deserved the win.

Didn't watch the game, but surprised at that result. What happened? At least you'll get back on the horse next week if that's any consolation.

Wigan had the better forwards. Kasiano may as well have impact sub tattooed on his forehead. Why are we starting him? Should have been Minkin at centre, Mata’utia at 13, McGuire at prop.
Kasiano on the bench with Clark, Whitehead/Thomas and Green.

Totally agree on all 3 decisions. We may have nicked that in the end, it would have been a totally undeserved win though, maybe last week was too.

We should feel confident in that even when we aren't the best team against the best teams in the competition, if we hang in there we may still be able to win. I'd take a 12-5 grand final win after getting beaten all over the park and that's what tonight may have been, if they called the offside (grounding is irrelevant) and then awarded minikins try with no separation downward pressure and no evidence of a knock on.

Wigan deserved it, video referee was appalling, we could have nicked one, on another nogbt we could have nicked one which we didn't deserve, despite the personelle missing. There is no reason to be worried off tonights showing, we can compete with the teams we need to compete with. We will need to be smarter in those conditions though.

Only beef I got is why have Wigan got a 9 turnaround.

Absolutely. Beat me to it.

We were munched for position by a better pack, and a quality kicking game from Harry Smith.

Looking ahead, despite only a 7 points loss against Wigan with only 1 prop out, and nobody else to come in, they are pretty much where they are, Wigan won’t get much better than that…
Whereas Wire have got another 3/4 gears to come back yet.
Harrison Bullock Dudson Philbin.

Who out of the 2 coaches with feel most comfortable about the coming weeks?

Simple question. Do you think O'Neil, not even taking into account the offside, had more control over the ball for his try than Minikin had for his no-try?

If the calls were in our favour and not yours you'd probably be taking it worse than we are, because you definitely deserved to win. You watch them again, ask yourself honestly if you'd be happy if that was us scoring against you or you having a try disallowed at tbe death. It was a night of fine margins, although when looking at all the stats, you lot should have blown us out of the water.

Yes.

There was absolutely 0 issue with the grounding.

At full speed it didn’t look a try but the replay clearly showed there was no issue.

Yup, 2 aged wingers on the bench, a hooker and a young prop. Would've rather had 2 young props if not three. You can always cycle 2nd row to centre if needed, but banging an old winger on for a prop is a bit of an ask.

He has to learn from that for next week otherwise we’ll lose again.