I'm not sure about that. Ratchford, Austin and Clark are arguably the best in their positions in the comp. You add the likes of Charnley, Lineham, Goodwin, Hill, Cooper and Currie etc and on paper we have one of the best squads in the league.

On the back of the CC win, Price gets another year for me, but with the caveat that we play the rugby that were capable of. If nothing's changed by end of April 2020, SJM and SM should look elsewhere.

Ok - i've been wrong many times before but not always.
So SP has said time and time again that our problems are not difficult to fix but I've yet to see the fix.
There's virtually no team creativity in attack - we've looked bereft of ideas and had to rely on one or two moments of brilliance (more often than not from Daryl).
Bringing Widdop in will have a positive effect BUT there has to be attacking structure - not just 5 drives and a kick - to go with flair.
Don't get me started on the rest of the recruitment / retention though.

I wonder what Poweĺl, Ward and Watson would be able to do with this squad, or with the money that our coaches have had over the last few years....

We are on the same page fez. Previously I’ve been one of the last to suggest a change of coach, bit odd to find myself in the vanguard.

Sure, "one of the best squads in the league", with guys like those that you mention you have a great chance of finishing top 5 season after season.

But there is a difference between them and the Leeds players that I mentioned before, when it comes to winning Grand Finals. There are good players and there are relentless winners.

Does any team have a side full of relentless winners these days though?

On thread, I will hold my hands up as being wrong before but I have no faith at all that Steve price is the man to turn us around. The performances over the second half of last season(barring the semi and the final) were the worst in my whole time supporting wire. Topped even the rocket Rodwell era.

Aaaarrrggg nooooooo he said it and I haven't got my therapist on speed dial any more. I can hear them coming now they're at the front door they're in the house Dale Laughton, Matt Sturm and Steve Anderson at the helm .... where's my emergency Harvey's Bristol Cream make it go away mama

Apologies morrissey, I'd managed to forget about it myself until Steve reminded me. Still lots of social workers will be getting a few extra appointments at the moment, all helps the warrington economy I suppose.

OK for me if he is staying which I think is most likely as the club would have acted by now.

I want to see changes elsewhere with the reserve grade being proper next year we have to make the right choices.

Hendo to reserve coach. With the view to become first team coach having layed the platform for players in the reserve to come into the first team and know the style of play and set loves etc. With ideally m monaghan as assistant to price.

Ade Gardner has a lot to answer for our fitness levels this year have taken a massive dive in prices first year it seemed we could defend for days now we are not able to maintain any level of intensity for the full 80.

Lee Briers, what us his roll, you would expect more from us going forward with him in the set up but we don't seem to be clicking, and Patton has mot improved or added anything you think Briers has been involved there

Somthing that shows the club are making changes for to seek improvement for next year.

I think we are a bit too caught up sometimes in knee jerj reactions this season was terrible and we played some terrible rugby and the effort levels from the team at times were not what they should have been, but we're losing sight if possibly the bigger decisions being made and that's with the reserve grade we want wane because if the success he had at Wigan look how he started and progressed and the players he coached before they were first team players that's a huge part to his success the team and academy was all geared up to the same style of play and ethics it jyst helped ensure there would be a steady flow of players capable of doing a job until someone new pushes them out. Marshall could force manfredi or burgess into a move away from Wigan...that should be our goal.

If we buy into the reserve team and invest and make changes to help price get better performances out of the team then I will be once again optimistic going into the new season. If there's no real change just widdop to turn our fortunes around then I'll probably just stick to watching sky games.

I have watched Featherstone rovers in the play off games on sky and what I would give for our side to show the commitment and team spirit they have. And they have payed some good rugby in getting to the final.

Let us not forget. We went totally downhill once we lost Ratch for a large chunk of the season. Once he came back in he lifted for a knockout game but one player coming back doesn't get you out a slump. just as though it was looking as though we could get back to winning ways we lost Blake. Those are two massive players to lose on the field. When Blake came back you could tell he was still playing on one leg.

For me our issue is that we looked utterly knackered in the last quarter of the season. Every time someone made a break there was never anybody in support. If you watch saints this season anytime someone gets half a nose through a gap there are ALWAYS options either side of him, ALWAYS at least 3 players backing the runner up.

Im not surprised we look knacked an all. its the first bloody set and we've got 3 backs taking the first three drives in our first set of the game!! The backs are knackered and our front line relies of Hill and Cooper playing 50 minutes at lease and Daryl playing the full 80 week in, week out.

We need 2 Hill/Cooper style props and a proper lose forward ASAP. lets the forwards work like forwards and the backs work like backs. I'm all for the backs coming in and taking a bit of work off the forwards every now and then but not in the first set of the game, thats the time you pack should be knocking the opposition around and asserting some authority ffs.

No, which is why you have teams like us, Hull, Catalans winning the odd trophy, Wigan still hanging in there and Saints being clearly the best team but struggling to assert their dominance. There's a power vacuum waiting to be filled.

I bet it will be Wigan, Saints or Leeds who fill it though and not us...

There was one play in the Castleford game that highlighted to me where we are at.
Cas kicked the ball and Charnley picked it up, he was tackled 2 yards from our own try line. The next carry was going to be a tough one and Toby King was next up. He should have run straight and as hard and as fast as he could with no thought for self preservation but instead he ran across the try line trying to isolate a smaller defender and then got bundled behind his own try line for a drop out. I like Toby King (no Greg Inglis) but at Wembley he was probably in the same position on at least 2 occasions and just ran straight and hard.
So when the players want to they can do the small things that make a difference but there are a lot more times recently where they don't do those repeated efforts.

There are loads of those little examples that go unnoticed during a game where a player has to make a choice to put the effort in or not.
Kick pressure,
Chasing a kick that looks like a lost cause.
Going third into a tackle to control the attacker or just get back in the defensive line.
Running a convincing line even though you may not get the ball.
A lot of people think we have given up the charge down since Tony Smith left. I think we just don't have the effort to get to the kicker.

I’m sure we have given up on he charge down and at the risk of sounding Folau like, praise the lord.

Disagree. With that squad we should at least be finishing in the top 3 and competing for both finals as an absolute minimum.

Funnily enough we saw more than one in that last game vs Castleford