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why bother hesitating over facts, you've posted some reyt Shite in there.

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Smith lost it for you with not having a back on the bench.
If Hodgson was fit he should have played, how can you leave a big game player out of a big game unless he isn't fit? Ratchford to the bench.
Smith decision to run the penalty when 16-6 up. A successful kick would have regained the momentum for Warrington. Instead the pen was run and Bridge tackled into touch 2nd play. Wigan have the set and get a pen for not being square at the ptb. Wigan scored 6 pts from that set. Running that penalty was a disaster for Warrington.
From McIlorum scoring there was only going to be one winner and everyone in the stadium knew that including the players.
So it turned out.

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you answered your own question there sunshine, he wasn't fit.

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Gary Schofield states in todays RL Express that he has no idea how Wigan won - then strangely makes no mention of the possible disruptive effect of Warrington's injuries.

I guess that's why he's a pundit and I'm not.

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Quote: silver2 "Gary Schofield states in todays RL Express that he has no idea how Wigan won - then strangely makes no mention of the possible disruptive effect of Warrington's injuries.

I guess that's why he's a pundit and I'm not.'"


Stevo really hammered it home during commentary, about how our old players, all looked like old tired players.


all 14 of them.

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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j] "Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]:



Quote: Father Ted "Smith lost it for you with not having a back on the bench.
If Hodgson was fit he should have played, how can you leave a big game player out of a big game unless he isn't fit? Ratchford to the bench.
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And if the game went exactly as it did but we lost Hill at the end of the first half and Wood at the start of the second rather than Monaghan and Ratchford. Then Harrison and Carvell picked up the same knocks as they did, what use would Ratchford be? Smith would now be being criticized for going into such a big game without four forwards on the bench.

I've no doubt that if Wigan had been 16-2 up before losing Richards and Tomkins, and then had Mossop and Farrell carrying injuries which would normally mean them coming off, they too would have lost quite comfortably no matter how much desire and togetherness they showed.

You cannot plan for every possible scenario. To lose two backs, especially two of our most potent attacking threats, in the one game is unlucky. When that game happens to be the Grand Final you're extremely unlucky.

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No team puts a subsitute back on the bench. Ridiculous.

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Quote: mark_m "No team puts a subsitute back on the bench. Ridiculous.'"

I guess you are a newbie to RL and don't pay attention to who maybe in the bench when Warrington play other teams then.

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Quote: BogBrushHead "I'e just been down the ground to sort out season tickets and grabbed a quick word with one of the backroom staff going into reception ..... Ratchfords injury we all saw, but he also confirmed that Myler, Carvell and Harrison all sustained leg injuries which meant they should have been at very least rotated, but as Grix & Westwood had sustained head injuries requiring constant off-field treatment, they couldn't be taken off without leaving less than 13 on the pitch. So, with JM in cloud cuckoo land, Briers at fullback, Bridge on the wing, and Riley trying to fill in at wing, fullback, and standoff, is it any wonder Wigan were able to find gaps all over the pitch.

We know Wane is a brawler turned rugby player, but no wonder he's "Proud" of his lads ....... I don't mind the game being a brawl involving a ball, so long as we all know it from the off. When Thaiday cannonballs Charnleys knees and SBW uses McIlorum as a wishbone in the World Cup, lets see if he puffs out his chest and says how 'proud' he is then! .....'"


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Quote: rubber duckie "I guess you are a newbie to RL and don't pay attention to who maybe in the bench when Warrington play other teams then.'"


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Quote: rubber duckie "No team puts a subsitute back on the bench. Ridiculous.'"

I guess you are a newbie to RL and don't pay attention to who maybe in the bench when Warrington play other teams then.'"


Oh yes brand new. Teams always go with four forwards, generally two props, one second row (sometimes with utility value) and a hooker. It has been this way for as long as I can remember.

Why on earth would you plan a change to your back line or anticipate an injury to a back during the game?

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Wane had a substitue back, Sam Powell. He decided not to play him.
Outside of warrington the whole of RL knows Hansen's tackle hit Ratchford's hip as does the RFL discip report.
Outside of Warrington everyone knows Westwood would have been sent off if the officials had seen the punch and play stopped then.

As to the mythical event of Tomkins being injured, Charnley to fb, Thornley to right wing and Hughes to left centre.
If Green had not recovered from Westwood's punch then Tomkins would have gone to 6 and Charnley to fb and so on.

IMO it wasn't either injury that cost you the game it was your forwards.
McIlorum's try just after half time was straight through the pack. They looked tired then. The more the game went on it went away from you. Green's try was an identikit try to McIlorums. Straight through the middle of the pack on the try line.
Forwards win games and don't win games.

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Well every day is a school day. Here was me thinking it was a team game and all along it is totally down to the forwards if we win or lose.

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Quote: mark_m "Well every day is a school day. Here was me thinking it was a team game and all along it is totally down to the forwards if we win or lose.'"

You should know better, Mark. People like Father Ted and the Electric Gliding Warrior are never wrong and they should be revered by those lesser mortals like ourselves.

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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j] "Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]:



Quote: rubber duckie "I guess you are a newbie to RL and don't pay attention to who maybe in the bench when Warrington play other teams then.'"

In 2013 Wire have played 27 Super League, 2 Play Off games and a Grand Final = 30 games = 120 interchange places.
Ratchford appeared on the bench twice
Chris Bridge four times
O'Brien once.

Carvell, Cooper, Currie, Dwyer, Harrison, Higham, Laithwaite, McCarthy, Michael Monaghan, Morley and Glen Riley filled the rest.

Total of 7 out of 120 (6%) places went to backs. Which bench have you been paying attention to?

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