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SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled. For 27 - 0 you get a trophy For 75 - 0 you get sod all. Wigan had eight in a row Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg



Quote: Les Boyd Is God "ok ..was farrell a joiner later on when he was regular gb international...may be i was wrongwith the years but when you lot hogged the challenge cup and league many of your players were full time'"


Farrell was still an apprentice joiner in 1993, so he probably turned pro in 94, which IS when Wigan went FULL TIME pro.

Leeds I believe had already done it in 1993. IIRC

Also in 1996, Wigan had such well known pros as Steve Barrow, Danny Ellison and Craig Murdoch in their Premierhip winning side.

It's amazing the misconception about Wigan being full time pro long before anyone else.

What they did do to the best of my knowledge was to appoint the first full time coach in Graham Lowe.

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Quote: Les Boyd Is God "its the open cheque book debate here..wigan bought any one at will in the days when wigan won the league at a canter..and you did have a bigger squad than any one else,so some players could`nt possibly play every week....when other clubs went proffesional there was more of a contest in matches...something wigan did not like'"


Les, I'm not going to go over it all again as quite clearly for some people (and i'm not even saying this totally applies to you) their perception of what happened during the period will always be more vivid and the [itruth[/i rather than the actual facts that are on record, and very simple to look up in the days of the Internet. I often wonder if some of it is because for some, they were growing up during that period and everything felt more.

I have never denied that Wigan tried to sign the best players they could for their team (and clearly they all were not superstars as can be seen by the likes of McGinty, Cowie et al). I don't even mind people feeling that nobody else could compete when it came to signing players, thats their opinion and it may even be completely right (although the cheque book description oversimplifies the case, we waved a lot of money at Andy Gregory for a long time, but he didn't want to join until he felt the club was going places - that's why he signed for Widnes and not Wigan in the first place when turning professional - it really wasn't down to Widnes offering more cash).

Just to progress the debate, and break out of the enldess circling around, I won't even argue with your opinion on Wigan throwing the money around and other clubs not being able to compete, and it hurting the game etc. All I ask in return is that people stop trying to say we bought players with the intention of not playing them, because quite clearly that contridicts the truth on record (and yes we had a fair size squad, but they played a fair number of games - it's all on record on Bilko's excellent cherryandwhite.co.uk), and that paying high salaries was the cause of Wigan's financial woes (you're quite right it was a cause quite possibly even one of the biggest, but I just want people to stop twisting the facts (again in the age of the Internet it's easy to go back and look at the pre SL era in a calm collected way, without the burning emotions of what occured when you were living the events) and say it was the reason.

I'm a rugby league fan and a Wigan supporter, and there is a difference, and I'll defend any RL team or player who I feel is being treated unfairly or unreasonably regardless of who they are or which set of fans is doing the aggressing. I think some of the things said about Myler for example by some Wigan fans have been out of order, and i've told them as much.

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Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "

I'm a rugby league fan and a Wigan supporter, and there is a difference, and I'll defend any RL team or player who I feel is being treated unfairly or unreasonably regardless of who they are or which set of fans is doing the aggressing. I think some of the things said about Myler for example by some Wigan fans have been out of order, and i've told them as much.'"


And that is exactly my stance.

Just a little bit of history.
I watched Warrington beat Saints 5 - 4 in the Lancashire Cup final at Central Park (Brian Bevan scored the winning try)

When Saints played on a Friday and Wigan on a Saturday I would go to Knowsley road to see the Friday game and Wigan on a Saturday.

When I was college at Widnes in the late 60's early 70's I would often go to watch Widnes if there was a night game.

I've been to Australia 3 times watching GB /England.

I posted on here earlier this year that Rhys Evans was the most exciting young player I had seen this season, and at that point I thought Wire were the best U18's side I had seen.

If that makes me the one eyed Wigan monster that some are painting me on here.

Then I plead guilty.

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to compare Warrington with the great Wigan team is a joke, lets be honest here, Warrington have won 1 challenge cup and you guys already think that wire are a world class team. Any top flight team is capable of winning the cup 1 year but its the teams that come back year after year and contest the big games that can only be considered the greatest. As fo all the money warrington are spending, i think its a joke because there are teams trying to do it the right way like Leeds,Saints, Wigan by bringing youth through but Warrington are simply willing to buy success. But you need more than that because the players are coming for one reason only and that is for the money!!!!!!!!

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Quote: cliveandbrenda "to compare Warrington with the great Wigan team is a joke, lets be honest here, Warrington have won 1 challenge cup and you guys already think that wire are a world class team. Any top flight team is capable of winning the cup 1 year but its the teams that come back year after year and contest the big games that can only be considered the greatest. As fo all the money warrington are spending, i think its a joke because there arelike Leeds,Saints, Wigan by bringing youth through but Warrington are simply willing to buy success. But you need more than that because the players are coming for one reason only and that is for the money!!!!!!!!'"


That would be Saints and Wigan who have both been found guilty of breaking the salary cap would it?

Oh and once upon a time there was this guy called Stuart Fielden remember him??

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Quote: cliveandbrenda "to compare Warrington with the great Wigan team is a joke, lets be honest here, Warrington have won 1 challenge cup and you guys already think that wire are a world class team. Any top flight team is capable of winning the cup 1 year but its the teams that come back year after year and contest the big games that can only be considered the greatest. As fo all the money warrington are spending, i think its a joke because there are teams trying to do it the right way like Leeds,Saints, Wigan by bringing youth through but Warrington are simply willing to buy success. But you need more than that because the players are coming for one reason only and that is for the money!!!!!!!!'"



jesus heard it all now..warrington buying success according to a gooner...i can mention at least half a dozen young players that have come thru the ranks....true we have brought in overseas players but so have wigan and even had the cheek to break salary cap rules when buying certain players...pots and kettles spring to mind

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "And that is exactly my stance.

Just a little bit of history.
I watched Warrington beat Saints 5 - 4 in the Lancashire Cup final at Central Park (Brian Bevan scored the winning try)

When Saints played on a Friday and Wigan on a Saturday I would go to Knowsley road to see the Friday game and Wigan on a Saturday.

When I was college at Widnes in the late 60's early 70's I would often go to watch Widnes if there was a night game.

I've been to Australia 3 times watching GB /England.

I posted on here earlier this year that Rhys Evans was the most exciting young player I had seen this season, and at that point I thought Wire were the best U18's side I had seen.

If that makes me the one eyed Wigan monster that some are painting me on here.

Then I plead guilty.'"


I wouldnt say you're one eyed, I think you give a fair evaluation, you just make things up from time to time. where are those bookmarks?

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Quote: Les Boyd Is God "jesus heard it all now..warrington buying success according to a gooner...i can mention at least half a dozen young players that have come thru the ranks....true we have brought in overseas players but so have wigan and even had the cheek to break salary cap rules when buying certain players...pots and kettles spring to mind'"


Except he/she is a Leeds supporter.

Pay attention. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Mark "I wouldnt say you're one eyed, I think you give a fair evolution, you just make things up from time to time. where are those bookmarks?'"


Sorry....

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Except he/she is a Leeds supporter.

Pay attention.
my apologies..its usually wigan fans spouting on here...

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