Oh yes I didn't mean any disrespect by that comment. It was more of a compliment of how good them two teams have actually been. Whilst they are the type of teams who you'd think we should have enough to beat, year on year they constantly punch well above their weight and as you say are extremely well coached. The job that Rowley has done at Salford this year has been outstanding. They are only 6 points behind us!

I am the exact opposite of that. Scarred by too many final defeats vs Wigan over the last 40 years.

Do you think Sam is scared by Wigan?

Scared or scarred? He's only got 1 wigan final defeat under his belt.

The teams that I fear are those that can gain big metres on the early plays and end up in a position to put attacking kicks in that they can challenge at the end of a set. That has been our Achilles heel all year.

Early in the season against Catalan at home Johnstone and Davies on the wings were eating up the metres and every kick that Abdul put in was challenged and they had a field day. Luckily for us Johnstone and Abdul are our of the team so that threat is not what it was.

However Hull KR can do that with Hall and Burgess , Hiku chewing up the metres and May or Lewis kicking so they do worry me.

It will all come down to containing those metres, pushing them back a few yards on those early tackles and making the opposition kick from their own 40m line.

I hope that Catalan can scrape into 6th as I think they play Hull FC and London and I think they don't quite have the personnel to trouble us in those areas.

If you fear anyone…

You will not be winning anything.



If you have no fear, it’s because you have the ability and the preparation correct.



It’s been along time, but me personally , I don’t fear anyone for this squad. I know we are the best team when we have it together, I’ve seen it. Just because it isn’t there now, doesn’t fear me for the play offs.

I admire your optimism, as I did your "we will win the lot" prediction a year or so ago.



We could easily have a CC final performance in any of the play off games.

Would it be seen as a disappointment if Wire didn’t make the Gf. Or looked upon as a season of progression under Burgess..

For me if we win a playoff game its a season of progress. Obviously we all want a GF win but we need to be realistic, we are outsiders this year.

Firstly, in response to the OP, I'm not really going to worry about who we meet in the play-offs. We'll get who we get, and it's up to us to be good enough on the day to beat them. As for the season as a whole, it has already been one of major progress in terms of level of performance, consistency, defensive determination, attacking quality, and development of exciting young players. Most of us, I think, feel much more optimistic than we did this time last year. Turning the potential into trophies is, as always, the elusive part, and I still fancy Wigan to win the GF this year, but Wire are certainly not without a chance.

We definitely have a chance, we will need to win 3 intense games of RL in a row across 2 weeks. This will require avoiding the big game "fatigue" as has been cited and also delivering our best game in a final (in contrast to our Wembley performance).

I really wouldn’t rule us out of top 2 just yet. See how HKR respond at the weekend. If they beat Leigh at their place after last weeks loss then fair play to em.