Without a doubt they do. This club has accepted mediocrity for ten years now and our recruitment has been beyond average. Changing the head coach will improve us but no way will it fix everything. I’d be starting with replacing the CEO who appears to be more bothered about retweets on Twitter than results on the field and whoever is in charge of our dismal recruitment.

I'm confused.

Many seem to think our squad is decent and our coach is failing to get the best from them. If so, then our recruitment is ok, isn't it?

If it's actually because of 'dismal recruitment' then maybe the coach isn't to blame?

Is it likely that the club is just generally mediocre right through to the core? Recruitment, coaching, mentality - We are just mediocre.

If we want a football analogy, then maybe we need to follow the present Everton strategy - In recent times a club with big investment, but which has been followed by mediocrity and failure (sound familiar?). Now finally, they have fetched in a proven winner as manager and, though it's early in the season, the signs of improvement in both the team and assorted individuals is becoming apparent.

Ultimately, like I said last night, Mr Moran needs to spend his marquee money on his head of recruitment AND a coach. Get those two right and the rest will fall into place.

I said it before and I reiterate, spending power is as much a curse as a blessing. Prudence, dilligence and objectivity have been lacking.

For every Chris Hill we've signed an Anthony England
For every Adrian Morley we've signed a Latu
For every Gareth Carbell we've signed an Asotasi
For every Lee Briers we've signed a Tyrone Roberts
For every Trent Waterhouse we've signed a Jason Clark

Every agent in the NRL will have us on speed dial and every washed up, has been, never was, never will be, pension seeking parasite will continue to eye us up with lascivious eyes.

You looked at the set plays Wigan set up last night and it's a 7 on 5, runner everywhere and everyone knowing their role. I lost count last night the number of times backs and forwards took a one up last night, only to try a change of direction 6 yards from the line, lose the momentum and fall into the arms of a wigan defenders like a loved up mills and boon character.

Where on earth are the attacking tactics? You can't say Widdop hasn't been great in his career, nor become e over night. It must be down to the attacking coaching. For some reason we dont like set moves, we like off the cuff, but finals and wet weather footy ain't the place for it and the grand final is arguably both if these, every single year

I do feel sorry for our backers - they are fans at the end of the day and have put their money where their mouth is.
I think they will be getting increasingly frustrated too.
They are successful businessmen - that doesn't necessarily mean they can shape the club to be successful though. Obviously I hope they can.
Sometimes businessmen forgot their business principles whrn it comes to sport (the Everton analogy is apt).

As CW8 has said, most of us - including me - don't know what exactly is involved in each of the coaching roles so it's difficult for me to criticize Henderson, Briers, Gardner, Anderson, Leuluei etc. Ultimately though the buck stops with the head coach - particularly if they are given the resources to do the job. I don't think any of our 'Moran' coaches could complain about not having the resources or backing.
(Reminds me of a recent airbnb stay where, when we got there, we found the place hadn't been cleaned. We contacted the owner who apologized but when he checked, found out that the cleaners hadn't been in. He set about getting the cleaners in, but we left and said 'too late, the buck stops with the you'. Full refund and additional compensation followed).

Now it's been pointed out that Agar and others have left us and gone in to be successful elsewhere and that's interesting because I can't remember the likes of Agar getting anything but vitriol on the message boards.
Fans are also blinkered at times.

I really don't know what the answer is to turn us into a club with a 'winning DNA' but it has to overcome decades and decades of not having it.
I dislike Wane intensely for his style of rugby (or is it boring Thugby?) , but he's got a winning DNA. I could do with a GF win and would sacrifice some entertainment for that BUT only in the short term.

Our squad is decent. It’s littered with some really good players, one world class player in Daryl Clark and some very average & replaceable players. It certainly is one of the best squads in the league, (though that says more about the standard of SL than anything) but our recruitment has still been dismal. Both statements can be true.

As Mozza says for every Chris Hill there’s a Roy Asotasi/Anthony England. In the last five years I’d say we’ve made two good signings: Josh Charnley and Blake Austin. That’s off the top of my head. Think of the amount of players that have come and gone over the last five years, a strike rate of two is awful. I stand to be corrected if there’s anymore that have cut it though...

This is a good point which often gets missed.

I think in general we overrate our squad. All those threads we have where people say its a selection headache for the coach, how does he fit everyone in because our squad is so good....its more like, we have a lot of good players who are around the same level. Good but not the stars our fans think they are, and wouldn't interest Wigan or Saints.

Price has had us beating a superior Saints side in some big games including at Wembley last year. The idea that we have this title-favourite squad which is being held back by the coach is overblown.

We are about where I thought we'd be at the start of the season, given our squad. I thought we would be around the fringes of the playoffs, have a chance of winning a trophy but not be first or second in line. If you could simulate the rest of the season 100 times in 100 parallel universes, I reckon about 8 to 13 of them would finish in Wire winning the Grand Final.

We have a much better squad than Wigan, Leeds, Catalans and Salford and we’re behind four of them and the other team knocked us out the Challenge Cup.

If the ratio was one for one like this we'd be doing ok.

For every Lee Briers we've signed a Tyrone Roberts.....and a Scott Wilson, Adam Doyle, Kevin Walters, Matt Rodwell, Michael Sullivan....

Bryson Goodwin.

Even Michael Monghan came as a scrum half, where he was pretty average until he switched to hooker. What if he'd been average there too? Was a slice of luck rather than good recruitment.

The Sergeant Wilson thread hit the nail exactly on the head. The fact that any of us is considering keeping Price after this season if he doesn’t deliver the win is evidence of that.

For me, Price has until the end of the season. We start looking for a new coach now, and we don’t need to be quiet about it. Let Price, the players and other teams know that we’re ready to start winning. If we drop out of reach of a playoff position the he goes on the final hooter. Fitzpatrick can go too - what’s he adding?

We aren’t taken seriously by other teams and other fans because we don’t take ourselves seriously. Some of the fans here are happy with the mediocrity because following a losing team must mean they’re more of a fan.

We need somebody who is going to EXPECT victory from his players. We’ve had teams good enough to win on numerous occasions but it’s been a decade of waiting. Time to try something new. We need a horrible ba$tard - that man is still Wane.