Indeed, we're a lucky set of fans to have Moran and the rest of the board looking after our club. Not only do we have money men behind us (Moran and Middleton both worth over £100m) but they have the business acumen to keep the club moving forward.

Really feel for Bradford, we could have been in the same position had we not managed to get out of Wilderspool. Hopefully they can get a new owner on board that can put them on the path to recovery..

We were losing big amounts at Wilderspool due to maintenance costs, and lack of use. I dread to think how much Bradford were losing.

The development of that Coral hospitality stand at the end was a big mistake while leaving most of the rest untouched. When it was clear that they couldn't redevelop Odsal due to cost they should have sold up and moved in with Bradford City. They let the Harris saga drag on, they lost quality players over years and didn't replace them. In the championship they've had far too many players taking the gamble to get back.

Looking at Warrington Sports Holdings last accounts our net worth is £10.53m. Looking at Bradford Bulls Northern Limited from 2014 (no accounts after that) net worth was already minus 668.81k.

It helps that we have an owner with money but the club needs to be sustainable on it's own as well.

They need to start from scratch and build back up.

The club effectively does not exist the fact the rfl will let them start in the championship with a 12point deduction is a scandal. Either a the whole thing is a farce and the liquidation etc has been a smoke screen that the rfl are in on and the intention was always for Bradford to be in the championship and have dumped a load of debt.and the released players will shortly be selectively retained Or B they are so inept that cannot see that they will possibly be relegated and then go down and have to come up again setting them back a year atleast.

I believe Toronto have a better claim to that open spot than any form of Bradford bulls / northern being allowed to rejoin the championship.

Why do you think that Toronto has any sort of claim to start in the Championship, particularly if you believe that Bradford "need to start from scratch"?

Perhaps a more equitable solution would be to offer an open spot to the highest placed relegated team from last season, as it could be argued that their position was in part due to Bradford operating unfairly. If either of those teams felt unable to take up the offer then it should go to the highest none promoted Championship 1 team and if no one takes it up for whatever reason then it would be Bradford on level points then Toronto for me

From what I've read, the reason why Bradford will remain in the championship is because of the upheaval it will cause to rearrange fixtures at this late stage, especially Toronto's.

I can understand why it wouldn't (apart from shouldn't IMO) be workable for Toronto, but, to say to Whitehaven or Workington can you fulfil Bradford's fixtures it shouldn't be that difficult?

I understand that these arrangements take time and the off season might not be long enough to deal with matters fully and I whilst I feel sorry for the Bradford players, staff and supporters, as a sport with a month to go to the new season it should all be clear cut and I'm not sure that it is yet and according to the VT thread it could be as late as the 23rd January before details are confirmed.

This is complete madness unless the RFL and Bradford already have a plan which has to 'go through' certain channels but will be ratified in any event

Well whatever they are going to be it's going to be with less players, 3 of them have already signed for other teams,Salford have Welham Widnes have Olbison and Giants have taken a forward aswell.

Good old promotion and relegation hey!

Unfortunately it's not the first time that this has happened though?

My point about Toronto is that they already have a squad that could compete in the championship.

As I said Bradford being allowed into the championship is just scandalous, it furthers my belief that they have a squad lined up already and this whole thing is to just dump a load of debt and being aided by the rfl.

Well as I said earlier that some players have already moved to new clubs 4 in total so far I believe. I'm wondering what kind of squad they will have and how hard will it be for them to even stay up,other sports (RFU) must be laughing at the farce of this. Just read a 5th as now gone Clare to Leigh.

Yes and on their board the players are being called to odsal today at 4pm to meet new owner.

Speculation that they are not actually in liquidation as of yet as papers not yet submitted, all in all I think this is shambolic and is no different to what a lot of cowboy businesses do go bankrupt n start again under slightly different name to get rid of debt!! And have been aided by the rfl too!!