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| Quote Winslade's Offload="Winslade's Offload"It's quite difficult to compare what happened in '72 with today. Forty years is a long time and attitudes to the game were different. For a start there were lots of competitions. I can not remember when they all started or were closed, but there was the Regal trophy, Captain Morgan, BBC Floodlight, Lancashire cup etc. Today we only have two, so there is much more focus / scrutiny of these and I suppose there is a bigger disappointment if you don't get to the final.
The Challenge Cup was (I think), the major cup that everyone wanted to win. Because I am an old fart, I still view the CC as equally important to SL - quite different to most supporters probably.
We were much more 'tribal' in those days. It was essential to beat Saints and Wigan and Widnes, they really were the enemy. Nothing to do with 2 points at all, that was just a by-product of winning.
League games were not just another step towards winning / qualifying for the trophy at the end of the season, they were the heart of the sport, and you wanted to beat the opposition each week.
So if you look at all those points, you will see that most are about peoples attitude to games, rather than the structure. If you find this hard to believe, then think about the challenge cup. Its one of the oldest competitions, it has always existed and has a fantastic heritage. But it is now considered by many to be second class to SL. Why ? I would maintain the overriding publicity to SL has changed peoples attitudes, just as advertising shapes peoples attitudes to brands. So for me, its very difficult to make meaningful comparisons with the past because of peoples attitude. It was a different era.'"
Thanks, very interesting. Difficult for me to imagine as I have grown up with the SL era and all the marketing etc that came with it as a child. I got the history of RL DVD a few months ago and wondered why so much of the focus was on the cup, that would explain it. |
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| Quote Thelonius="Thelonius"Attendances during the playoffs, comments from certain parts of the media and the fact that these threads keep popping up (and not just on the Wire site) would suggest that there is a problem.
Apathy and boring is hardly going to entice the punter to put their hand in their pocket and buy tickets for regular league games. Many clearly can't be bothered (for whatever reason) for playoff games. The clubs, or SL in general, cannot survive on one 70,000 game a season and allow the rest to go into decline.'"
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To be fair , most of the posts on this thread have merit , the one I agree with most is about the 1st week non elimination games , they really do appear to be pretty pointless .
Speaking as a Leeds fan , whilst it was great fun winning the thing from 5th , there was a worry even amongst plenty of us that the league season was devalued , to do it again just really compounded it . Of course we will revel in being called " champions " who honestly wouldn't ?
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Why does winning the play-offs from 5th induce all this hand-wringing? Is it so much worse than winning from 2nd or 3rd?? In 2005 (the Andrew Johns year, remember, Wire fans), Bradford won from 3rd, having finished 10 points behind the league leaders (from 28 games). Leeds finished 10 points behind Wigan last year (from 27 games)...
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| Quote Ganson's Optician="Ganson's Optician"Thanks, very interesting. Difficult for me to imagine as I have grown up with the SL era and all the marketing etc that came with it as a child. I got the history of RL DVD a few months ago and wondered why so much of the focus was on the cup, that would explain it.'"
Charlie Winslade is blob on IMO with his recollections of yesteryear but what you must also consider apart from Dewsbury winning from 8th is that they were 8th in a league of 30 teams yet only played 34 league games to reach that 'lofty' perch. They didn't play everyone twice /home and away and it clearly favoured teams based on County lines.
Following this nonsense, 8th beating 3rd and we got nowt, the division was split into two so that everyone could play teams home and away obviously a fairer season and the Champions were first place in the regular rounds on merit, League Champions if you like.
The next 'moan' was one particular team sweeping up because they were the only professional team, (not their fault or a crime) but we now have an era where we are all professional and operate a financial constraint to even up the field
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The fact that people have realised you can now quite cheerfully lose weekly games and it doesn't really matter is at the root of this.
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| Quote worthing wire="worthing wire"Why does winning the play-offs from 5th induce all this hand-wringing? Is it so much worse than winning from 2nd or 3rd?? In 2005 (the Andrew Johns year, remember, Wire fans), Bradford won from 3rd, having finished 10 points behind the league leaders (from 28 games). Leeds finished 10 points behind Wigan last year (from 27 games)...'"
--- your right,i mean, a team that has has been beaten wembley finalists for three years running ,then go on to finish 5th in the regular season for the last two seasons,( like you stated-10 ten points behind the true winners of superleague - wigan) then go on to win a few *knockout games and be crowned the * worthy*champions of sl? then play in the wcc as champions of a knock out comp ,opps,,sorry i mean sl champs-, ( not sour grapes-just facts) so basically,whats the point of even having a hub cap award  |
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| Quote he was never offside="he was never offside"--- your right,i mean, a team that has has been beaten wembley finalists for three years running ,then go on to finish 5th in the regular season for the last two seasons,( like you stated-10 ten points behind the true winners of superleague - wigan) then go on to win a few *knockout games and be crowned the * worthy*champions of sl? then play in the wcc as champions of a knock out comp ,opps,,sorry i mean sl champs-, ( not sour grapes-just facts) so basically,whats the point of even having a hub cap award
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what was the point of the world club challenge then ....? you did realise Melbourne storm werent "worthy"winners of their league either?
Im struggling to find any threads titled "The NRL system is a joke they should have a first past the post like the English premier league and Scottish premier league which is vastly more entertaining" otherwise i'd be right on it... |
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What the hell has Leeds losing three CC finals got to do with anything? Leeds have been in 7 of the last 9 finals, and won 6 of those, regardless of where they finished in the league or whether they got to Wembley or not. No matter the format of the play-offs, Leeds seem to do well in them every year. Just saying. |
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