I'm assuming this title was written by someone who works for the SUN.

The great debate....?????

Maybe more of a passing thought before being trapped in the swirling votex of a singularity.

The great debate for me would have been will Rangi chase keep up his form to match the high consistency of Roby.
Roby the next Saints Captain for me.

Atkins looks like one of the Passedenas, and Shenton looks like that camp politcal columnist Andrew Pierce from the Telegraph and Daily Mail, who's always on Breakfast

back on thread

We're gonna say Monaghan, Stains fans are gonna say Roby
and who gives one, what PieMunchers think (if they can think, that is)

If Roby was really that good he would have been in the NRL not in Super League.

both are rubbish.

Nobody runs at Monaghan thats why.

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 As a neutral i think this says everything you need to no!

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 As a neutral i think this says everything you need to no!

Stats don't always paint a big picture

Roby has over 2 and a half times more Carries (297 more) and scoots from DH (257 more) yet only 20 more tackle bursts and 4 more offloads.

Just shows contrasting styles with the same effectiveness.

what someone forgot to mention was the reason roby has so many more metres is because he has made so much more runs from the ptb.

edit: and yet as if by magic... YED does.

Michael Monaghan James Roby
Warrington St Helens

Runs from dummy half 159 416 Runs from dummy half

Proof of the pudding

So what your saying there is that he does alot more work so should be more tired and therefore make less tackle busts than Monaghan????







I fail to see how him doing more proves any point you maybe making.

The fact is Monas is pivotal in our squad, he gets them moving and his vision and passing are very good, what you're saying is that because Roby runs more metres from DH he is somehow better and works harder?

I'm sure Wingers/fullbacks have more metres gained but again the stat is irrelevant.

My point was stats only tell half a story.

True but when you look at the overall stats for Roby, they are impressive stats. We have not even covered clean breaks.

Now there is a debate, whats the difference between a tackle bust and a clean break.

When does a tackle bust become a clean break, do they count under both stats or just one.