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| Quote jdrocket="jdrocket"From a club perspective though. Are we afraid of losing the guys that, unlike Kyle, have a history in Union?'"
We shouldn't be worried. Being a first-team player at Warrington RLFC can provide a player with a great career and good money. We might lose one or two, sadly, but we offer a lot and can attract quality players. Only if that changes should we start to get worried.
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| Quote just_browny="just_browny"We shouldn't be worried. Being a first-team player at Warrington RLFC can provide a player with a great career and good money. We might lose one or two, sadly, but we offer a lot and can attract quality players. Only if that changes should we start to get worried.'"
It could be about to get a lot worse. I was reading something on the internet the other week about how the RFU are looking to make the Guiness Premiership (Or whatever its called these days) as powerful as the French league is becoming financially. Union is a really well run sport, they could get 60,000 for an Under 8's game if they wanted to. The money Twickers generates is massive and they are also being really succesful crowd wise, with them now eclipsing SL for domestic averages. Give it another 5 years and the gap could be huge.
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| It also works the other way as well. One french club went bust last year and the 3 northern Guinness Premiership clubs are struggling in more ways than one. The clubs that get the crowds are Leicester and Gloucester. Have a look at the teams in Wales and Scotland, all struggling financially.
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| Why worry, if they go to union we can discuss on here how they were overrated and crap anyway like Kyle Eastmond. Remember when we thought he was going to be Ellery Hanley mixed with Jason Robinson? Now he's on his way to Bath his faults have been well discussed on here. Same with Chris Ashton the Wiganers talked about him as though he was the new Billy Slater when he emerged, once he had agreed to go to union we were allowed to discuss how his defence was actually garbage and he's an arrogant overrated waste of space.
I can guarantee that if any of our players are credibly linked with going to RU in the papers, there will be a 16 page thread on here of which the conclusion will be that we're better off getting rid.
Of course I'm sure a few agents will use it to hold clubs to ransom but in general I would always say to any player if you want to go to union you're free to go. Many have gone over, a couple, Robinson and Ashton, have done well, but most have come back and the problem for every player who leaves SL is the game moves on without them, when they come back it takes them a couple of years to get back up to speed and they are never the same player they were before. Look at Iestyn Harris, Henry Paul, Gareth Raynor, Chev Walker and so on, they never got back to the same level.
Also I think some RL fans overrate the money in union, most of the Premiership clubs have got financial problems, the discussion within the RU press regarding RL players is more or less what we think of NRL players coming over here, the view is why do clubs seem willing to take gambles throwing handsome salaries at players on their reputation in another league, when its hit and miss whether they will make it or not settle and end up stuck on a biggish salary and being a problem for their clubs to offload.
But many RL fans enjoy predicting the doom of the game and going on about the 'threat' of union. I remember ten years ago how many people thought there would be a hybrid game within a decade because Sky would force the two codes to come together. I can just see that going down well with the hierachy in Twickenham, or Pretoria.
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| Most Leage players who go to Union do not make it. People look at the succesful ones like Robinson and Ashton but forget the ones that did not make it. Harris, Pryce, Walker , Smith, Henry Paul, probably some I forgot
I know quite a few Saints fans who be glad to see the back of Eastmond. good player from broken play he is, but organising half back he isn't.
His performance on Friday summed him up. Lots of hype but no depth, and Myler who most people decided on here was not up to it had his best game in the P+B.
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| Quote Wirral Wire="Wirral Wire"Most Leage players who go to Union do not make it. People look at the succesful ones like Robinson and Ashton but forget the ones that did not make it. Harris, Pryce, Walker , Smith, Henry Paul, probably some I forgot.'"
Depends how you class 'making it'. Harris played loads of times for the Welsh national team, and Henry Paul got a few England caps as well. Stephen Myler is doing pretty well at Northampton, too.
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| i'd say henry paul did, he did two stints there.
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| Rugby Union offers a good package for a fame/money happy player. I'm told, from a very reliable source, that £10,000 an international series is offered on top of a lucrative contract from clubs. I can't blame them, its a high risk, short term career. The only way we will ever compete is if we put bums on seats, especially against Aus/NZ....
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| Quote worthing wire="worthing wire"Depends how you class 'making it'. Harris played loads of times for the Welsh national team, and Henry Paul got a few England caps as well. Stephen Myler is doing pretty well at Northampton, too.'"
These players get parachuted into the international set up because of the money that has been spent on their wages. Remember how Harris got picked to play for Wales against Argentina pretty much as soon as he had crossed over. Andy Farrell never really established himself at Saracens but he got parachuted into the England team because the money had been paid for him to replace Martin Johnson as a leader figure. But winning caps doesn't mean you 'made it', would you class Sean Long making it as an international RL player because he had a lot of caps? Making it is like Jason Robinson did, or like some of the Aussies did (Rogers, Tuqiri and Sailor).
In fairness to Harris, by the end of his time in union he had started to crack it, in the 2003 World Cup he was good. But the Welsh RU had him on a big contract when he signed in 2001, and they weren't going to keep him on that big contract which is why despite him starting to be a good union player, he had to come back to league in 2004. As for Henry Paul, he got a lot of caps but they paid all that money expecting a world beater? Was he a world beater in international RU?
I'm sure some RU sources will defend the signings of these high profile players but its just like the debates we have about some of our players from the NRL, when Paul Rauhihi joined he was supposed to be the top prop that would take our pack to the next level, did he make it? Well yes he was a first team regular and played a lot of games for us and got some contract extensions so I suppose he did. Was he what we expected? Was he worth the money? Not sure.
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| Henry Paul played 6 times for England 3 as sub and was mainly used as a specialist 7's player.
Hardly a stellar career.
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| Henry Paul also won player of the season one year at Gloucester and was one of five players up fo the Guinness Premiership's player of the season.
If he was crap doesn't say much for the rest of the players in the competition that season.
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| Never said Paul was crap, just don't think he made the impact there that was expected due to the financial outlay. Same with Farrell.
Paul was a great player. Just league and union are very different games and it's not that easy to switch particularly today.
All I am saying is if Eastmond goes it's not the promised land.
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