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| Quote Barbed Wire="Barbed Wire"But, Smith won about 10 of his first 16, including a cup run. Powell won 3 in a row in February, then TWO since. It’s June.'"
Someone somewhere posted about smiths first season in charge)(09)
He got lots of breathing room during thst transition period as pre season had been ed up goodstyle by James lower and his boxer mate conditioner.
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| Quote Barbed Wire="Barbed Wire"But, Smith won about 10 of his first 16, including a cup run. Powell won 3 in a row in February, then TWO since. It’s June.'"
True. Compare the squad then to now though.
I don't think anyone is saying "Keep Powell" on the basis of the performances this year. They are doing so on the basis that they a) believe he is a good coach that plays good rugby b) is up against it with a poorly balanced squad c) is the first coach I can remember with the balls to question and try to change our culture. d) accept it will take more than 16 games to change things.
To my mind there is no harm in being patient to see what happens. We were not winning anything this season anyway and I don't believe there is a realistic possibility of relegation. Others may disagree and that is what makes the world go round. |
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Quote Fantastic Mr Cat="Fantastic Mr Cat"Someone somewhere posted about smiths first season in charge)(09)
He got lots of breathing room during thst transition period as pre season had been loved up goodstyle by James lower and his boxer mate conditioner.
We were worlds apart in 2010'"
People forget this game in early 2009. London 60 - 8 Wire.
www.loverugbyleague.com/stats/ma ... on-wolves/
As Smith said at the time "As far as I am concerned we have hit the lowest point, but sometimes you have to reach that to start climbing again,"
"The players have to make a choice. They can either go and sulk or stick with me and try to rectify things. The scoreboard rarely lies and we were comfortably second-best today."
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Quote Fantastic Mr Cat="Fantastic Mr Cat"Someone somewhere posted about smiths first season in charge)(09)
He got lots of breathing room during thst transition period as pre season had been loved up goodstyle by James lower and his boxer mate conditioner.
We were worlds apart in 2010'"
People forget this game in early 2009. London 60 - 8 Wire.
www.loverugbyleague.com/stats/ma ... on-wolves/
As Smith said at the time "As far as I am concerned we have hit the lowest point, but sometimes you have to reach that to start climbing again,"
"The players have to make a choice. They can either go and sulk or stick with me and try to rectify things. The scoreboard rarely lies and we were comfortably second-best today."
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Quote Wires71="Wires71"People forget this game in early 2009. London 60 - 8 Wire.
www.loverugbyleague.com/stats/ma ... on-wolves/
As Smith said at the time "As far as I am concerned we have hit the lowest point, but sometimes you have to reach that to start climbing again,"
"The players have to make a choice. They can either go and sulk or stick with me and try to rectify things. The scoreboard rarely lies and we were comfortably second-best today."
We went on to win the Challenge Cup later that season.'"
Smith inherited a basket case without any glimmer of success since the early 90’s. He was out third coach in 7 or 8 months and didn’t have the benefit of a pre-season in that period.
He walked in the door, to the demotion of the man who was to act as his assistant and got better results. We have had Powell as the coach elect since March(approx) of last year, months of planning and preparing for the squad he would have and could add to and take away. He had a full pre-season without a major international drain. Hit the ground running with 3 out of 3 and then the wheels have fell off.
He has had 2 opportunities (I think) to have ‘mini pre-seasons’ when we don’t have fixtures, to hard-reset the team, which is actually quite important rather than just recovery into prep mid-week. Smith didn’t get that as he took us to Wembley. And yet now, we have regressed, week on week. I’m biased, because I thoroughly enjoyed Smith’s 2009-2016 era and I have a respect and loyalty to him, but it is incomparable between the impact of the two coaches.
The most optimism I have felt since March is reading that Wane is hoping that getting our 5 guys into a different environment might help them to enjoy their rugby again and take it back to their club. I just hope Wane is right and he can get some spirit into those 5 guys and they can bring that back in to our team and use it as a springboard.
I don’t want us to fail, not at all. But, I can’t help but watch on with agony as great players leave only to be replaced by journeymen, in the hope of progression. |
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Quote Wires71="Wires71"People forget this game in early 2009. London 60 - 8 Wire.
www.loverugbyleague.com/stats/ma ... on-wolves/
As Smith said at the time "As far as I am concerned we have hit the lowest point, but sometimes you have to reach that to start climbing again,"
"The players have to make a choice. They can either go and sulk or stick with me and try to rectify things. The scoreboard rarely lies and we were comfortably second-best today."
We went on to win the Challenge Cup later that season.'"
Smith inherited a basket case without any glimmer of success since the early 90’s. He was out third coach in 7 or 8 months and didn’t have the benefit of a pre-season in that period.
He walked in the door, to the demotion of the man who was to act as his assistant and got better results. We have had Powell as the coach elect since March(approx) of last year, months of planning and preparing for the squad he would have and could add to and take away. He had a full pre-season without a major international drain. Hit the ground running with 3 out of 3 and then the wheels have fell off.
He has had 2 opportunities (I think) to have ‘mini pre-seasons’ when we don’t have fixtures, to hard-reset the team, which is actually quite important rather than just recovery into prep mid-week. Smith didn’t get that as he took us to Wembley. And yet now, we have regressed, week on week. I’m biased, because I thoroughly enjoyed Smith’s 2009-2016 era and I have a respect and loyalty to him, but it is incomparable between the impact of the two coaches.
The most optimism I have felt since March is reading that Wane is hoping that getting our 5 guys into a different environment might help them to enjoy their rugby again and take it back to their club. I just hope Wane is right and he can get some spirit into those 5 guys and they can bring that back in to our team and use it as a springboard.
I don’t want us to fail, not at all. But, I can’t help but watch on with agony as great players leave only to be replaced by journeymen, in the hope of progression. | |
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| Quote Captain Hook="Captain Hook"The constant repetition of this may be doing wonders for your post count, but it isn’t doing much for your reputation.'"
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| Quote DallasMead2="DallasMead2"Not particularly concerned about that chief tbh.'"
can we just take it as read that it’s all Karl’s fault in your view to save you from having to repeat yourself? |
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| Quote Captain Hook="Captain Hook"can we just take it as read that it’s all Karl’s fault in your view to save you from having to repeat yourself?'"
Take whatever you like mate. |
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| Quote DallasMead2="DallasMead2"Take whatever you like mate.'"
In which case I prefer “chief” to “mate” but “Captain” is best of all. |
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| Quote Captain Hook="Captain Hook"In which case I prefer “chief” to “mate” but “Captain” is best of all.'"
No worries chief captain. |
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| Quote DallasMead2="DallasMead2"No worries chief captain.'"
Even betterer. |
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| Quote Barbed Wire="Barbed Wire"Smith inherited a basket case without any glimmer of success since the early 90’s. He was out third coach in 7 or 8 months and didn’t have the benefit of a pre-season in that period.
He walked in the door, to the demotion of the man who was to act as his assistant and got better results. We have had Powell as the coach elect since March(approx) of last year, months of planning and preparing for the squad he would have and could add to and take away. He had a full pre-season without a major international drain. Hit the ground running with 3 out of 3 and then the wheels have fell off.
He has had 2 opportunities (I think) to have ‘mini pre-seasons’ when we don’t have fixtures, to hard-reset the team, which is actually quite important rather than just recovery into prep mid-week. Smith didn’t get that as he took us to Wembley. And yet now, we have regressed, week on week. I’m biased, because I thoroughly enjoyed Smith’s 2009-2016 era and I have a respect and loyalty to him, but it is incomparable between the impact of the two coaches. '"
I am also a hardcore Smith loyalist but he did inherit a different situation. He had a squad which was full of very talented players and had just had a bad coaching situation as Cullen's last year was a year too long especially given the other stuff he had to deal with at the time, and Jimmy Lowes was not an SL standard head coach. Powell has inherited a team that had gone stagnant and needed an overhaul.
If TS came back to coach us now, I doubt he would have the same impact he did in 2009.
However, its interesting to consider where we would be if we had just kept on with TS right through and not had Price or Powell. I think it was time for both parties to move on at the end of 2017, but I wouldn't be surprised if we had ended up with a better win-loss record since then if TS had stayed, than what we have had under Price and Powell. |
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