P.S. Hull FC v KR is the biggest derby in the world of rugby, either code.'"

last time wigan v saints met in a cc semi was at old trafford in 1990.

this evidently shows how much the competition has declined.

Talking of history, do you rememnber when they got relegated?

Wow.

Some real bitterness here!

1980

Need to be learn how to seperate fact from bitterness pal.

Personally I look @ any match we are up against teams on the side of the Pennines as being a derby except the Crusaders

Well there's only 1 way to prove or disprove this thinking. Like I said before, if next years competition needs a semi final in the North West, and Saints aren't involved, then their new ground could be used to test the water. Also with it being 18k capacity rather than 25k or 35k then any potential 'damage' would be limited.

Don't need to worry too much about that one anymore!!!

If you gave non ST holders the same rights to purchase tickets as ST holders at the same time, then doesn't that devalue the ST and give away a strong selling point for purchasing one? Jumping from a 13k crowd to a 16k crowd is nearly a 25% increase, just for changing venues, an extra 3k people who decide to buy a ticket based on what though?

But as a game are we aiming low or being realistic as to the numbers of people who want to pay to watch the game? Should a venue be chosen on what we perceive that the game needs or what it can actually hold?

How can you be certain though? Why would more people go to a larger stadium that is further away and probably cost more?

I think the biggest issue with the Challenge Cup, with the exception of a few games/teams, is that fans dont want to pay to watch it. Making it more affordable doesn't seem to have a massive impact on the attendance, making it free does though.

Quarter final...two weeks gap...semi final.....two weeks gap....final.

Maybe thiis is something that the RFL need to look at. They've already acknowledged that playing the exiles game on a "normal SL" weekend was a mistake. Maybe they should acknowledge this mistake as well.

So, even though Adrian won't be leading out his boys, Warrington can still put on a brilliant day out. Lets be honest, we are going to win the Grand Final anyway!

Cheeky