I think I must have been watching a different game or something. Everyone is talking about the poor performances (true) because the players didn't care (false). Watch the players! Look at the effort they are putting in, and tell me they don't care. What they are is completely exhausted! We were run off the park by an incredible Leeds side, after how many weeks of having less than 17 fully fit players to choose from every week? Not only are we missing the best part of a dozen right now, we had three straight back from injuries, a few more carrying them (Philbin had his leg strapped up, I think Monaghan and Ratchford were too), England went off early on... The players who haven't been injured are dead on their feet, not just from Leeds possession but from weeks of having to pick up the slack from the gaps we've had. Did Hill get taken off earlier for a break, or did he actually play the entire first 67 minutes? He seemed to be running and tackling like he was still playing up front.

You can see it in their faces how much they are trying, but they're shattered from weeks of injuries and disappointment and knowing that we're going to struggle to make the playoffs at all. Obviously this doesn't excuse the poor (or lack of) attacking play we've had, that's a different problem and Sandow looks good to help fix that. We have our problems but lashing out at the entire team and coach too, given the circumstances, is just ridiculous.

Hill did play the first 67 minutes, & was probably only pulled off when the game was gone

its been like this for the majority of the season..just like tonight our performances this season have just not been good enough i.e hull and cas at home widnes away to name 3.time for a really big clear out..for a start myler( thank god hes going ) england not good enough asotasi simply bilge atkins bone idle obrien hunslet beckons joel to slow but thanks for your efforts..get shut of those for starters

You were always going to struggle without Westwood and Harrison.
I thought Sandow showed some good touches and when fit will be a great signing for you.
Clark blew hot and cold and is a shadow of his last years form.
Ratchford alongside Sandow could be a good pairing.
Penny for me was your best player and at least kept trying.
On another note we have lost Aiton with a broken arm which is a major loss for us.

wish i was pulled off after the game was gone.. :

Also, can't help but think that Westwoods incident at Cas might have put the nail in the coffin for our season. His work rate, go forward and experience has been badly missed the last 2 games.

Good game to lose ,by fewer points would've been nice but,as was always going to be the case the team looked disjointed ,we are basically putting out a different team each week ,hopefully they can click better against Cas because that is a must win game ,tonight wasn't

How much you wanting for Clark? Poor lad must be knackered playing for your bunch. Your Bubble has severely burst. Cheers sandow for doing the team talk for us.

Penny took the ball up, plenty of times on the first tackle (when the ball had been kicked dead by Leeds) and had equalled Sims' efforts, in the amount of metres gained/tackles bust.....judge from that, what you will

I think that was a different problem. Earlier in the season we seemed to have the players and the staff falling out, people weren't putting the effort in. Tonight they did, they just didn't have enough left in them to make it work.

Can't say I agree with you on those names, not all of them anyway, but that's your opinion. The biggest question is who do you replace them with? You think we can drop two props, when we're already short, and magic some better ones out of thin air?

I think it is evident from the strange looking team sheet for the game that maybe TS has had to scrape the barrel to put a team out tonight. We were overwhelmed by a team at the top of their game & i think the game provided a good argument for the theory of needing experience to win games more so than youth.

I agree with you on the youth point, king and philbin looked well short tonight, and Wilde was a passenger, but in no way are they poor, it's just tonight V a rampant Leeds team, they shouldn't have been anywhere near the starting 17, but the squad is battered at the min, and all these calls for props, there are none, next season will be hill Simms England , and another, how's about a decent forwards coach, then we wouldn't need to be hunting anyone, just developing what we have,,
The super 8 high intensity games to finish season off can only be won by sides with strength in depth, and luck by how many injuries they have
It's only going to get worse as these crunching games continue one,,

When Wire beat Leeds in both regular season matches even though they were not cricket scores, we were WELL beaten. Wire came up with a game plan that nullified us and we never looked like getting anything out of either game; well done TS and the team.

(As regards to last nights game) all I seem to have read on here is how many forward passes, off-sides etc,etc the ref let Leeds get away with. This coupled with Wire generally having such "bad luck" as well. Mmm.

Have you read any of the posts in this thread?