Let’s not forget why Kibula was signed, he wasn’t signed for first team, he was signed for the reserves - I assume in the hope he could also be a late developer and progress under the reserve system. Let’s not forget, he didn’t get any opportunities for Wigan either, a club renowned for pushing youth in to first team.

As others have said above, no reserve team has meant no games for many players. The opportunities he got, he didn’t look good enough yet for me. He looked well behind Doro, who despite a big size difference, looked far more aggressive carrying the ball and much better defensively.

Big is not always best. I have seen many big dumplings over the years who you could knock over with a feather & some 5ft 6inch tough nuts who are a nightmare. For me Doro looks more of a handful. It's not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog.

It's just my impression, but with junior players (mainly) not getting game time last season and the prospect of no reserves or dual registration this year, the club are perhaps looking at everybody on their books and asking the question ' how do we ensure they get regular game time and an opportunity to develop next season'. If you total up the number of departures permanent or seasonal there has been quite a lot of movement.

You don’t get to the level of super league without being a good player. The thing is that are sammy / Keenan etc good enough to hold down a spot in the 17 week in week out ?. The thing I was getting at is Steve price hardly rotates the first 17 and IMO I think a young lad needs 10/15 games on the bounce to see if he is good enough at a certain level . The loans are good for the players but I have a feeling we won’t see them back in a wire shirt

Above posters that have stated that there's no reserves, have it spot on.

Its a loan so he will come back to us at the end.

If Kibula dominates the Championship then it will have been a win-win for both us and Newcastle, and we can look at him as a first teamer in 2022.

I thought we only signed him on a 1 year contract, did I miss his extension?

The QE2 turns quicker, I suspect he will find his level in the lower leagues.

Why would a 19/20 year old's opinion of the coaching style carry any weight?

I hope it carries weight because if they aren’t listening to 19 year old players then they certainly won’t be listening to us and that can only lead to disaster.

He did, he's off contract at the end of 2021 so this is basically us getting rid of him now. He's not coming back to us end of.

just on the point of academy kids, did anyone hear or listen to the podcast briers was on last month(possibly a bit further back) where he said he would advise against kids going full time, get yourself an education and a job and play part time in the championship, its the best of both worlds rather than trying to be a SL player.

i'll try and dig it out.

https://yourround.sounder.fm/episode/le ... s=autoplay its w good listen

https://yourround.sounder.fm/episode/le ... s=autoplay its w good listen

Samy's ruptured an achilles in training and is set to miss the whole season. Damn shame, best wishes to him. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... y-20189055

Samy's ruptured an achilles in training and is set to miss the whole season. Damn shame, best wishes to him. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... y-20189055

That's very bad luck for him, and wish him well for 2022.