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| Quote matt6169="matt6169"It was a great win, but lets not kids ourselves too much -[i we scored 3 quick tries that had nothing to do with half backs[/i - two were directly off the back of Saints mistakes, and one was down to a great offload by Russell. Had those mistakes not happened, we would still of been 14-12 down. They did happen, and suddenly we're 16 points ahead.
Patton, Livett, Gidley, Ratchford - I don't care - the one clear thing is though - Brown should NOT get back in that team!! He will, but he shouldn't!!!
Someone tell me (because I can't be bothered): what is the win - lose ratio with and without Brown "starting" the game?? Have we won a game with him in the starting line up yet??'"
Maybe so, but our first try [iwas [/ifrom a clever short pass by Patton, and Gidley had effectively stepped into the half-back space for his equally good pass to Cooper.
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| Very pleased for Morgan. He had a stinker against Saints in the semi last year and was hauled off. He came back this time and was sensational. Hats off to him.
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| With our forwards in better shape, I have no issue with Brown at hb. Our pack has been poor and made everyone look pants. You can't make a silk purse from a sows ear.
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| Quote matt6169="matt6169"It was a great win, but lets not kids ourselves too much - we scored 3 quick tries that had nothing to do with half backs - two were directly off the back of Saints mistakes, and one was down to a great offload by Russell. Had those mistakes not happened, we would still of been 14-12 down. They did happen, and suddenly we're 16 points ahead.
Patton, Livett, Gidley, Ratchford - I don't care - the one clear thing is though - Brown should NOT get back in that team!! He will, but he shouldn't!!!
Someone tell me (because I can't be bothered): what is the win - lose ratio with and without Brown "starting" the game?? Have we won a game with him in the starting line up yet??'"
Kevin Brown has 8 starts with 1 win only (against Wakefield)
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| How many of those games we lost with Brown in the starting line up would we have won without him?
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| Sounds like Brown had a pretty good game for England, with a couple of assists.
Maybe someone who watched can fill us in, but a fit and in form Brown would still make my 17 particularly in view of the confidence that visibly surged through the team last night, and the way the forwards imposed themselves.
Incidentally, I agree with the general view that Smiths introduction changed the game. Dwyer now third choice hooker, fourth if you count Gidley.
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"How many of those games we lost with Brown in the starting line up would we have won without him?'"
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| Quote rubber duckie="rubber duckie"Zero'" And how can you prove that?
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| Brown had a decent game for England. He was heavily involved in three tries. He's a very good passer of the ball. I think we are being over critical (as we often are on this forum about our own players). He's been out injured and most of the team have been playing badly. He'll play for us next week.
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| Gidley needs a rest so use the Widnes game, Livett shouldnt start every game he needs to develop but I thought Patton was poor again maybe he needs a rest Brown and Livett in the halvesin the next game
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| Rest Gidley in the CC?
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Take a gamble in our biggest game?
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| If he needs a rest....he can have one vs Wigan.
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