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| He's not that special or he wouldn't be in this country in the first place. Caveat it with 'as far as SL goes' and you can put any superlative before it.
I feel his impressive coaching achievements in Super League reflect just how more advanced they continually are in the NRL. I've no doubt that if Smith went to coach there now he would be struggle initially as he caught up with the advancements they have made. Similarly if a top head coach from the NRL, and we've had very few, came over here I think they would be ultra successful.
Maguire and Smith are the two in Super League who get the biggest 'wraps', but Mick Potter is another quality coach, despite him never being a fit for Saints. If you could get Bellamy or Bennett over here they would eclipse Smith and Maguire IMO.
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| Quote: Saddened! "He's not that special or he wouldn't be in this country in the first place. Caveat it with 'as far as SL goes' and you can put any superlative before it.
I feel his impressive coaching achievements in Super League reflect just how more advanced they continually are in the NRL. I've no doubt that if Smith went to coach there now he would be struggle initially as he caught up with the advancements they have made. Similarly if a top head coach from the NRL, and we've had very few, came over here I think they would be ultra successful.
Maguire and Smith are the two in Super League who get the biggest 'wraps', but Mick Potter is another quality coach, despite him never being a fit for Saints. If you could get Bellamy or Bennett over here they would eclipse Smith and Maguire IMO.'"
Hard to say how they would go and it would depend what club they were at.
Compare Juande Ramos CV to Harry Redknapp's - Ramos is the guy with a pedigree of winning European trophies, but Tottenham were garbage under him and are good under Redknapp.
A few years ago everybody wanted Ricky Stuart to come to SL but his star went on the wane after he left the Roosters.
If Craig Bellamy took over say Bradford and finished 7th, 5th, 6th then you'd have one group of people saying Bellamy only looked good because he had great players at Melbourne and another group saying he was used to coaching top players and you can't polish a turd.
I think its fair to say that a coach who can turn a club with a long standing history of mediocrity into trophy winners has got something special about him.
And to do it at Warrington as well proves it wasn't a fluke.
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| Quote: Poyser11 "Great coach. Transformed you as a team I feel, the only question mark is, didn't he say when he left Leeds, that 3 or 4 years was enough time at any one club? I wonder if this will apply to Warrington too, and if so, how you will cope without him in a year or 2, especially when some of your key players will probably be retiring around this time..'" Mr Smith signed a new contract last year which keeps him with us for another three season including this one.
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| Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "And as for Tony himself, well he's bought a house here hasn't he, which he never did at leeds or huddersfield, i'm sure he said something about putting down roots now, and unless someone in the NRL does come a-calling i can't see any other jobs in the SL being appealing to him, he's already left the champions to coach england, don't think he'll go back there again.'"
He was quoted at the back end of last year saying he wouldn't want to return to Australia as he classes England as home now. The true thing will be once (IF) he manages to win SL with Wire, will he stay to be the true dominant force over many years or move on?
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| Being realistic briefly, we might go really pap and sack him
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| i hope Tony stays until there is a mutual agreement for him t leave. Then I want someone as good.
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| when tony smith leave she will tell his brother how great the fans and working in england is how superior the super league is to the nrl (well wire anyway) and brian smith will be new head coach !!!!
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| Quote: back2back 09/10 "when tony smith leave she will tell his brother how great the fans and working in england is how superior the super league is to the nrl (well wire anyway) and brian smith will be new head coach !!!!'"
oohh please no....not another gallant loser
We've tasted success, let's stick with coaches who have proven record in winning things, not Smith's brother, who has a track record in winning precious little
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| Quote: lefty goldblatt "oohh please no....not another gallant loser
We've tasted success, let's stick with coaches who have proven record in winning things, not Smith's brother, who has a track record in winning precious little'"
Ive said it before - John Kear is the man. Two Challenge Cups with unfancied teams.
Alternatively Brian Noble.
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| Quote: Yed "Being realistic briefly, we might go really pap and sack him'"
That happens to most coaches. I know we are all in love with TS but if we go a couple of seasons without winning a trophy (perfectly reasonable) you will get all the talk about him having taken us as far as he can, like Arsenal fans who think they need a new manager to break their trophy drought.
If we don't sack him though I reckon he might stay with us quite a while if he wants to stay in the UK. Not sure where else there is for him to go - "a big club", he's been at Leeds and done that. Can only see him going to Saints and Wigan from us and he would have to start again from scratch, which after he's spent a lot of time building a team especially with young players for the future, it might be frustrating to then go and become one of our rivals and have another coach come in at Warrington and be using all of his own groundwork against him.
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| ...and back to the thread
Yes, he is that good.
2 Challenge Cups
Morley shortlisted twice for MoS in the twilight of his career
Briers consistency
far fewer defeats (especially the heroic ones...we're going on to win these games)
and most importantly (in my Warrington supporting lifetime) we now have a coach who knows how to WIN TROPHIES, not in their first job/first big job or they've won a solitary Regal Trophy before coming here.
WINNERS BREED SUCCESS
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| Quote: lefty goldblatt "...and back to the thread
Yes, he is that good.
2 Challenge Cups
Morley shortlisted twice for MoS in the twilight of his career
Briers consistency
far fewer defeats (especially the heroic ones...we're going on to win these games)
and most importantly (in my Warrington supporting lifetime) we now have a coach who knows how to WIN TROPHIES, not in their first job/first big job or they've won a solitary Regal Trophy before coming here.
WINNERS BREED SUCCESS'"
And he has managed to beat Saints away from home.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "That happens to most coaches. I know we are all in love with TS but if we go a couple of seasons without winning a trophy (perfectly reasonable) you will get all the talk about him having taken us as far as he can, like Arsenal fans who think they need a new manager to break their trophy drought.'"
Not from me Sal
We have a fantastic Wigan side to beat, as well as a wounded Stains + Leeds. There's nothing to stop them from reaching recent glories, again. If we go a handfull of seasons without a trophy, then so be it (and no, I'm not contradicting myself from other posts tonight, about being winners). We have to realise, we have some fearsome rivals. Trophies don't present themselves at your door. They have to be earned.
Smith can stay as long as he likes, as long as he does a great job.
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| In his book, Jamie Peacock commented on how Tony Smith had focussed on little areas of his game which even when he was already the best prop in SL at he time had improved his game!
Another Leeds player who shall remain nameless (what goes on tour stays on tour ) commented that "TS is flipping not nice person but he would win us trophies" - 2 SL wins and 2 WCC wins later.........
you've got a brilliant coach who is starting to get the best out of your squad and continues improve it - and it's bearing fruit with success on and off the pitch!
Good luck and enjoy the rest of the season
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