The biggest problem, apart from being 0-6 and bottom of the league is that the performances are getting WORSE.

I couldn't take one single positive from the saints game.

Next 2 game are Hull and Leeds. Hard to see anything but 0-8.. I'm not even sure where we go from here. The next man in had a massive job on his hands.

I think maybe the way to go, as previously mentioned, is to dump Agar (useless) and replace him with a first team coach that will get them playing again. Let's face it Smith is more the figure head, it's Agar who has day to day control of team affairs. Why we are surprised he's been found out shouldn't have been a mystery. Get Willie Poaching in, throw money at it!!!

Im going to remain positive. Just put £20 on us at 33/1 to win the grand final. See you at old trafford

I hope you did that online, I couldn't have beared the laughs if I'd done it in person.

A lot of Wire fans complaining about the lack of quality in the squad. Now the reality check - Leeds fans are saying this as well, so are Saints and Huddersfield. So which club has got a team brimming with talent? Don't say Cas - they are playing to their max due to great coaching and clearly a fantastic team spirit, but they are not a team full of world class players.

Simple fact is that the standard of SL is poor right now. Most of us are in the same boat without a paddle.

Exactly hugo.

Remember about ten years or so ago, there was always huge debate about how the number of overseas players in SL was destroying the game. It was always on the forums, on the Super League show, the papers. RL personalities were always being asked their opinions on it, there were the Brian Noble types saying how overseas players raised the standard and helped improve ours, and there were the Gary Schofields saying kick out the overseas players and there will be more chance for young English talent to come through.

In reality the RFL didn't have to do a clamp down on overseas players, the falling value of the pound versus the dollar and the increase in TV revenue in the NRL brought its own limit. And it has opened up more opportunities for young home grown players to play in SL. A decade or so ago the likes of Rhys Evans or Matty Russell would not have had the opportunities they have today, they would have been lost down to the lower divisions like Dave Alstead and Steve Maden were.

So you could say this is a good thing for the English game that we have had more opportunities for these players, and its not just at our club but at most clubs in SL. Clubs don't have the option of bringing over players like Jamie Lyon, Matt King, Steve Renouf like in the past.

But it has meant a general levelling down of talent across the board which has led to a decline in the quality of rugby, albeit it has meant a more equal competition. Cas were down and out a few years back and Hull were in the doldrums, whilst Warrington and Leeds were running hot winning trophies. All change now.

It would be nice if bt came in with a rival bid and raised the money and cap.

There's no financial. Motivation for many remain in rugby other than on an amature basis and get a normal job. And there's no real competition for TVs rights to sky so we do basically have to take what they offer.

I'm happy with the talent we have at Wigan, just unhappy that a dozen of them are stuck in the treatment room...

This might sound crazy but I am happy with the quality in our squad. I was before the season started and I am now.
I know most on here would have liked to have signed greg inglis and maybe Semi Radrada but that was never going to happen.
On paper we have a better squad than most of the other teams in the league.
Like Sally says the overall quality has dropped which means the gap between the "have's" and "have nots" is not as great so the things that separates teams on the ladder is how the team is coached, mentally prepared and motivated. Can anybody say that this squad is vastly inferior to Cas, Catalan, Salford, Leigh and Saints.
We have become a lazy team. Every tackle we make we are leaving hands in on the ball to try and blag a knock on because we are too lazy to do it the honest way by hitting hard and forcing a knock on. We are trying to get cheap penalties to piggy back us up field when we should be just running harder and faster and supporting the runner. We are questioning the ref if a penalty is given instead of getting back and hitting the opposition to get the ball back. Our whole system now depends on quick play the balls and penalties but other teams and the referees have figured us out and this has not just happened overnight.
With the right coaching, mental prep and motivation this team can compete for silverware but the change has to happen really quick.

Brilliantly put. This crisis is down to very, very poor coaching

The players perhaps have recognised this and are playing accordingly to allow the board to make a change?

Does Agar have a more hands in approach with the coaching now? I don't rate him to be honest & wonder how he keeps getting work.

I don't believe our predicament is comparable to Leeds last season whatsoever they lost some huge players for them we have added to ours in the right or wrong positions is debatable and it's been a while now since mostly briers monas etc left so their departures cannot be blamed !

We're just not up for it for whatever reason is speculation but until whatever is causing this is solved it will be a long hard slug to get thru the season!!

Yep and all this despair coming on the back of CC and GF defeats, and a long wait of a cold dark rugbyless off season,

It wasn't meant to be like this