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| Need to separate running a financially stable business from running a successful club - only need to look at Bradford Bulls to see where the latter without the former might lead.
Then consider the business decision about the cost of sacking and paying off coach and hiring a new one, when balancing out if you can then afford to bring in player xyz.
So maybe these considerations have to be accounted for, it's not just as easy as chop & change.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Agreed, but remember the popular view on this forum at the time was that TS had reached the end of the road and anybody would be better than TS. I think Price has basically been as close to continuation of the later TS years as we could get. We didn't go backwards (which is an underestimated risk when changing coach) but we didn't go forwards. The pattern has been 2 steps forward, 2 steps back. So the idea that anybody would be better than TS was proven wrong, and just ditching Price now and playing coach roulette risks the same - or worse, hiring someone who takes us backwards.
I feel the same about Price now as I did about Cullen at the end of 2006. We know what we have got. We're likely to be around the same level as long as this goes on. We had a similar situation if I remember with Cullen going into a contract year in 2007 and I remember always having the feeling that the board liked Cullen and wanted to find an excuse to extend him - which they did when we had a bit of a good run - but that was a mistake, and even Cullen himself said on the Woody and Higham show that with hindsight he shouldn't have signed that extension. I don't think the board is as wedded to Price as it was to Cullen but there is a risk that if we jump to extend him after a few wins, we will just be where we were at the end of Cullen, going into a wilderness period where we can't move forward until we have the right appointment.
Although Lowes didn't work out as Cullen's replacement, the board was at least thinking ahead when it saw TS was going to be available after the 2008 world cup, and had him in mind as the long term replacement. I think the same approach is called for now. Find a guy who is really good - Wane, McDermott, one of the top Aussies - see when they are available. Rather than extend Price, give Anderson or Henderson a shot in the interim.
Paul Anderson did well in his previous head coaching job - he won the minor Premiership with Huddersfield - and was sacked prematurely as Huddersfield's fortunes afterwards showed. Imagine how we would feel if say Anderson went to Cas to replace Powell and had them back on top of the league like he did Hudds. We would be asking hard questions of the board saying how did we miss this guy on our doorstep.
So I would say take a long view - start lining up which of the real elite coaches is coming available in 2022, 2023, 2024 etc. Give Anderson a crack at Wire in the meantime. If Anderson takes us to GF winning level then we have our answer, if not, then pivot to the big gun down the line.'"
Totally agree with your idea of head coach planning.
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| Quote: Briers'Boot "Imagine being on standby and being required to play.. then winning the big prize... would that feel right?'"
No, but would give no end of amusing posts from the folk of WA9 ad infinitum.
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| Anderson worth a go for a season, then get Wane.
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| Very good call about Paul Anderson. Past experience and knows all the Academy lads well. Big change of playing style needed and far more reliance on youth. Ashton, Thewlis, Doro, Dean, Longstaff, Wrench and Butler prominent.
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| Quote: 49er "Very good call about Paul Anderson. Past experience and knows all the Academy lads well. Big change of playing style needed and far more reliance on youth. Ashton, Thewlis, Doro, Dean, Longstaff, Wrench and Butler prominent.'"
Doesn't have an aussie accent, would promote youth and would deprive the CEO of a jolly down under. Hmmmmmmm.
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| As has been mentioned in a previous post about Aussies putting bums on seats in the stands , it sounds good if they perform as we expect otherwise fans will see through these imported bums & lose interest.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "
As for the cost of sacking Price, well I'd have some sympathy if we hadn't wasted hundreds of thousands of pounds on Akuola, Latu, J Clark, Inglis, that RU fella whose name I can't even remember and several others.'"
Absolutely spot on. This idea that the cub are suddenly skint and that sacking Price a year early would cost our finances severely is a nonsense. We signed Greg Inglis in the middle of the pandemic.
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| Quote: Briers'Boot "Imagine being on standby and being required to play.. then winning the big prize... would that feel right?'"
No, absolutely not. We don't deserve a second chance after last week.
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| The big problem with running Price's contract to the (more than likely bitter) end is that he is essentially a dead man walking. Putting off the inevitable until this time next year unless we are putting some serious plans in place NOW wouldn't seem like a good strategy for improving performance or player recruitment.
Most satisfying performance this year for me was the kids V Salford where we played as a team and with heart....if only that mantle was picked up instead tossed off by Price's first choice it might have bought him some time on the basis that we were heading in some positive direction
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| Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Absolutely spot on. This idea that the cub are suddenly skint and that sacking Price a year early would cost our finances severely is a nonsense. We signed Greg Inglis in the middle of the pandemic.'"
We shouldn't underestimate the financial impact this will have on the club. £1m has been quoted, that was before they knew 2021 would be impacted, I'd expect lower attendances next year with a mix of lower capacities at the start and people with potentially lower disposable income due to the economic impact of the past year along with reduced corporate and sponsorship income.
The owners could easily be looking at £1.5m by the time things return to some form of normality and this doesn't take in to account the reduced cash flow we can expect between now and the start of the 2021 season. Normally the club would be launching Season ticket packages by now, I can't see many people signing up to that until they have a clearer view of how the season will look. I'm not sure how many season tickets we sell and at what avg price, but 7,500 season tickets at £250 each is knocking on for £2m in reduced cash flow during that period. ( I accept the impact won't be as great as that as some - like probably myself - will buy a season ticket regardless, but it will no doubt be a big problem for the club I expect). The players will still need to be paid in November / December and it's unlikely we will see massive season ticket income coming in to support that.
£200k (or whatever the amount is) to pay off the coaching staff is unlikely to be looked at favourably by the owners, when they already have massive financial headaches at the club and their own businesses.
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "The big problem with running Price's contract to the (more than likely bitter) end is that he is essentially a dead man walking. Putting off the inevitable until this time next year unless we are putting some serious plans in place NOW wouldn't seem like a good strategy for improving performance or player recruitment.
Most satisfying performance this year for me was the kids V Salford where we played as a team and with heart....if only that mantle was picked up instead tossed off by Price's first choice it might have bought him some time on the basis that we were heading in some positive direction'"
The sensible option would be for the club to explore options for a replacement 2022 coach now, whilst at the same time, giving Price time to 'earn' his new deal (even if behind the scenes they feel a replacement is needed).. If they line up a good successor and performances drop as a result of Price knowing he is not sticking around, let Price go midway through and hope Briers / Henderson / Anderson can step in and make a difference till the new guy comes in.
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| Quote: Alffi_7 "We shouldn't underestimate the financial impact this will have on the club. £1m has been quoted, that was before they knew 2021 would be impacted, I'd expect lower attendances next year with a mix of lower capacities at the start and people with potentially lower disposable income due to the economic impact of the past year along with reduced corporate and sponsorship income.
The owners could easily be looking at £1.5m by the time things return to some form of normality and this doesn't take in to account the reduced cash flow we can expect between now and the start of the 2021 season. Normally the club would be launching Season ticket packages by now, I can't see many people signing up to that until they have a clearer view of how the season will look. I'm not sure how many season tickets we sell and at what avg price, but 7,500 season tickets at £250 each is knocking on for £2m in reduced cash flow during that period. ( I accept the impact won't be as great as that as some - like probably myself - will buy a season ticket regardless, but it will no doubt be a big problem for the club I expect). The players will still need to be paid in November / December and it's unlikely we will see massive season ticket income coming in to support that.
£200k (or whatever the amount is) to pay off the coaching staff is unlikely to be looked at favourably by the owners, when they already have massive financial headaches at the club and their own businesses.'"
Moran and Middleton are multi millionaires. Moran himself is worth £150M. Losing £1.5M would be like me losing a tenner.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "Doesn't have an aussie accent, would promote youth and would deprive the CEO of a jolly down under. Hmmmmmmm.'"
But where does he fit into “proven winner” or “ demanding excellence” etc How is he any better placed than, say, Henderson?
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| Thought I better check the forum to see if he’s gone yet.
If we waste next season by waiting for for his contract to expire then that will be a real travesty.
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