If you're claiming the two London defeats don't count because you fielded a weak team then you can claim last night didn't count can't you?

That stat is garbage. One London game we definitely threw with a severely weakened team, but the other loss we had a far stronger team out than last night and certainly went there to win. It was golden point (so didn't "lose" in 80 mins I suppose) but a loss in a game we went out to win for sure.

I didn't post it

I wasn't aware I said you did?

Yeah. And Wembley was because the ref cheated, so really, we're still amazing.

For a small relatively unsuccessful team when compared to our more glamorous neighbours we don't half seem to have got under their skin. Why on earth would one spend the best part of their Friday on the forum of a team that has just beaten you?

My advice to Saints fans is enjoy whatever success comes your way this year, because after it you will be in need of major, [imajor[/i transition.

Of their starting 6 forwards, Thompson is off to the NRL and the rest are well past 30 and tailing off into periods of niggly injuries and decline.

The much heralded youngsters in the pack really didn't look like they fancied an attritional battle without Uncle Alex to hide behind and the backs without Makinson and Coote look pedestrian.

Face facts, the current squad peaked last year at OT, then flattered to deceive against Salford last week and finally got found out last.night.

Talk about getting carried away!

The end is nigh!

I assume when you say all our starting pack are "well past 30" you have forgotten Walmsley/Knowles (not yet 30) and are including Peyroux who is well past 30 in that he turned 31 three weeks ago?

Roby and Thompson will be tough to replace for sure.