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I think we should consider that with hours of video analysis, training practices etc. that the coaches involved with Wire i.e. Price, Henderson, Briers, Smith & Agar will (would have been) be well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of each player. I think one or two on our forum show a complete lack of understanding of how coaching and selection works. In addition some are just very repetitive and exceptionally critical considering that it is a forum designed for fans of the game and in particular the Wire.

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Quote: Smiffy27 "I think we should consider that with hours of video analysis, training practices etc. that the coaches involved with Wire i.e. Price, Henderson, Briers, Smith & Agar will (would have been) be well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of each player. I think one or two on our forum show a complete lack of understanding of how coaching and selection works. In addition some are just very repetitive and exceptionally critical considering that it is a forum designed for fans of the game and in particular the Wire.'"
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Blind faith in the coaching setup is dangerous. Also, your theory would mean that no coach ever fails, due to extensive research undertaken. So care to explain why we ended up in the middle 8's last year?

Is this not a conversation by fans about wire player(s)??

I think one or two on this forum show lack of understanding of how online forums work.

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Of course I'm speculating, as I have no idea what goes on in training. I HOPE that our coaches know what they are doing and that if there is a viable alternative they would use it.
As for"blind faith" the idea that a player exists in our squad who is an improvement on Russell but the Coach refuses to play for unknown reasons...

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Feels like this board hasn't moved on from last season.

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Quote: CW8 "That's just speculation though, you can't say that is definitely the case or what Steve Price actually feels and besides so what if someone doesn't shine in training? In reality its game day that counts and he is responsible to change the team if he thinks the match day 17 needs to be/ can be improved. To be fair I doubt Steve Price is closed minded enough to write everyone but Russell off based on what he has seen in training for the short time he has had the squad together. He has said before he knows what he is getting from Mitch Brown, he almost certainly can't say the same about Russell and so is possibly giving him a fair chance.'"

Just to illustrate the speculation point.

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What id give to see Russell replaced by Tom Johnstone .... Now there's a proper winger!

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Quote: just_browny "Russell made a few errors but he also made a lot of metres, including a clean break from a standing start near the end where we were pinned down in our own end. The criticism of him is borderline hysteria.
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It isn't at all.

I want my winger to be a good finisher and score lots of tries rather than make a lot of metres. Nobody doubts he's a good metre maker but I want more from my wingers. We have lads in the forwards who can make good yards.

He's nowhere near good enough to be starting on the wing for us.

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Quote: scottty "What id give to see Russell replaced by Tom Johnstone .... Now there's a proper winger!'"

I said this a few months ago before the season started and was shot down as he was just coming back from an ACL.

Well, class is permanent and that's what Johnstone is. Ben Currie looked ok on Friday after coming back from his ACL.

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SL tries scored 2014-2017 for our main wingers and centres.

Joel 28 17 x x
Penny 1 12 13 x
Atkins 14 11 17 10
Ormsby 12 11 x x
Lineham x x 14 16
Russell 3 4 9 6
Evans 16 1 6 4
Bridge 11 x x x

The stats are a little harsher on Russell as he played FB in a few of those seasons, but I agree with LTS and others - his try scoring, which is what I personally want in a winger, lets him down.

Even the unfit, not d, out of favor, dropped by the end of the year, 2016 Lineham showed exactly what a "proper winger" can do.

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Quote: Jimathay "SL tries scored 2014-2017 for our main wingers and centres.

Joel 28 17 x x
Penny 1 12 13 x
Atkins 14 11 17 10
Ormsby 12 11 x x
Lineham x x 14 16
Russell 3 4 9 6
Evans 16 1 6 4
Bridge 11 x x x

The stats are a little harsher on Russell as he played FB in a few of those seasons, but I agree with LTS and others - his try scoring, which is what I personally want in a winger, lets him down.

Even the unfit, not d, out of favor, dropped by the end of the year, 2016 Lineham showed exactly what a "proper winger" can do.'"


With the exception of Joel, Atkins, Bridge and Lineham our 3/4s over time have mediocre. No wonder we drooled when we got Hiku for a bit.

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Quote: Wires71 "With the exception of Joel, Atkins, Bridge and Lineham our 3/4s over time have mediocre. No wonder we drooled when we got Hiku for a bit.'"


Who do you think had more than a helping hand in Joel and Hicks tries? It want all Briers.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Who do you think had more than a helping hand in Joel and Hicks tries? It want all Briers.'"


Go on..

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We seem to have been particularly bad scoring tries on the right hand side since we lost Briers. I have not got any stats but I would guess that with all clubs (in recent years) more tries are scored on the left wing than on the right and that this might be more evident if we look at tries which rely on handling as opposed to kicks.
If you think about Castleford with Solomona & Eden (on the left) this backs up my thoughts.
At the present time if Solomona or Eden played on our right wing they might just find try scoring a bit more difficult.

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Quote: Wires71 "Go on..'"

Morley Deckchair can tell you who.

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Quote: Smiffy27 "We seem to have been particularly bad scoring tries on the right hand side since we lost Briers. I have not got any stats but I would guess that with all clubs (in recent years) more tries are scored on the left wing than on the right and that this might be more evident if we look at tries which rely on handling as opposed to kicks.
If you think about Castleford with Solomona & Eden (on the left) this backs up my thoughts.
At the present time if Solomona or Eden played on our right wing they might just find try scoring a bit more difficult.'"


Most of Lineham’s appearances have been on the right wing and he’s scored plenty. Not connecting the two facts or having a pop at Russell but our attack hasn’t focussed on the left as far as I remember. For whatever reason he hasn’t scored as many tries. If he has a nightmare against Wigan I’d like to see something else tried, and if that’s not M Brown then maybe we should try Hughes at right centre (he’s been one of our better performers this season) with Atkins on the wing. Hughes can pass and as was seen with the disallowed try at Widnes he has the pace for it... credit where it’s due he’s turned himself around this season.

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