Quote: Barbed Wire "I take your point, however still images can be deceiving, if you look a couple of frames earlier (Sky Sports app has the highlights if you wish to have a look) you'll see Swift dislodge the ball, and Lineham doesn't really regather. His hand may be on the ball, which is sufficient in the rules, but it doesn't really constitute control of the ball.'" This "control of the ball" is another Stevoism when he invents the rules, a bit like the non existent "momentum rule" (which is actually just a note in Section 10) A try is scored when:- (a) A player first grounds the ball in his opponents’ in- goal, provided that he is not in touch or touch in-goal or on or over the dead ball line. Grounding the ball means (a) placing the ball on the ground with hand or hands or (b) Exerting downward pressure on the ball with hand or arm, the ball itself being on the ground or (c) Dropping on the ball and covering it with the part of the body above the waist and below the neck, the ball itself being on the ground. It wasn't a knock on either as the ball did not hit the ground without him holding it or an opposition player. Ergo : A try. rflmedia.therfl.co.uk/docs/RFL%2 ... 202013.pdf

Quote: Barbed Wire "I take your point, however still images can be deceiving, if you look a couple of frames earlier (Sky Sports app has the highlights if you wish to have a look) you'll see Swift dislodge the ball, and Lineham doesn't really regather. His hand may be on the ball, which is sufficient in the rules, but it doesn't really constitute control of the ball.'" This "control of the ball" is another Stevoism when he invents the rules, a bit like the non existent "momentum rule" (which is actually just a note in Section 10) A try is scored when:- (a) A player first grounds the ball in his opponents’ in- goal, provided that he is not in touch or touch in-goal or on or over the dead ball line. Grounding the ball means (a) placing the ball on the ground with hand or hands or (b) Exerting downward pressure on the ball with hand or arm, the ball itself being on the ground or (c) Dropping on the ball and covering it with the part of the body above the waist and below the neck, the ball itself being on the ground. It wasn't a knock on either as the ball did not hit the ground without him holding it or an opposition player. Ergo : A try. rflmedia.therfl.co.uk/docs/RFL%2 ... 202013.pdf

He went down like he'd been shot. He also has a habit of going way off the mark at the ptb. Any number of Wilkin's tackles were third or fourth man in flops, and some of the offsides in their own 10 metre area were obvious.

I started laughing when hemmings was trying to turn back time by saying 'it's wide to percival,it's wide to percival, in the style of his wide to west commentary.what a tool.

Stevo's views on ball control were obvious when he was campaigning for the Myler non try to be allowed at Catalans a few weeks ago. Not to mention the other try where the ball carrying arm of le frog had been planted firmly on the turf.

I don't normally go on other club's fan sites, but after another night's insomnia, I decided to dip my toe into the weird world of the entertainers.

WOW. Just wow. Our "Merseyside Friends" really do have their collective knickers in a twist. I doubt even a visit from Kofi Anan and a party from ACAS with an up to date copy of the RL rule book would calm their sense of injustice.
...and as for the glorified "love in" from fans of Leeds, Hull, Hudds and Wigan, yes, that's Wigan, on there......oh my word. It's like an entry on Facebook, when some needy lover posts that they've lost their pet goldfish, and there's a tsunami of sympathy "FEELING YOUR LOSS, HUNNI" and a thousand likes.

Only after a few views of the Lineham incident, did the Sky Muppets decide that their blood pressure would go into hyperspace. Had it gone to a VR decision, the try would have stood, as there was NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE that the try should have been disallowed.
Likewise, the reversal of the Peyreaux (sp) incident. There was NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE that the ball actually touched the ground. Had that incident happened last year, the try would have been allocated. As the RFL changed the interpretation for this season, the VR had no option. The try HAD to be refused.

It seems these Scouse Wannabes have a real complex. Maybe we should light a candle for them.

The two controversial events in Thursday's game were adjudged correctly.
The sense of harddonetoness is palpable in WA12. It's almost like the last few seconds of the 2002 GF never happened

This is correct. Close imagery also shows TL hand was still holding the ball.

So if Warrington had lost in these circumstances you'd all have accepted it as a fair and just result? Yeah right. Saints fans are hacked off (as you lit would be) and showing it.

I take it all those complaining about Walmsley's "dive" are similarly upset about Clark trying to get a penalty every time he's tackled. W Warrington players move off the mark, hold down in the tackle and flop as much as any other team if you look with both eyes open. And have you forgotten Westwood's embarrassing dive when Maurie touched him?

Let it go pal. It'll make you I'll.
In a game of margins, a little kidology can get you the odd shout. However it seldom effects the outcome. Saints were second best but gave us a game.
See you next year as Hull have done you for the 3rd world club challenge series place.

The only shot of the Lineham try i saw was on BBC local news (not got sky sports) & it looked a good try & Thaler was clear enough that it was a try to award it without going to countless video replays. I watched that game in the pub last night & the hold up for the Hull finger tip try was embarrassingly long winded when the clearest shot was in real time.
As for Thursday, i'm sure Thaler was just as bad for the Wire, missing two blatant Lomax knock ons & constant off side & "not square" from our scouse neighbours. Reassuringly though, Eddie was relentless throughout the Wigan game,in his criticism of "the poor quality of last night's refereeing".

You lot really are pathetic... As if you've never had a favourable call go your way ? Shall we talk about the Joynt voluntary tackle probably the worst decision ever on a rugby field??
I've just had a look at the Red Vee page as the Entertainers one is so quiet.. Claims of agendas, Ref Bias and even match fixing are being claimed on there... All because you lost a close game of RL..!
Part of being a sports fan is taking the rough with the smooth and during your smooth times you lot were happy to troll this board, the Wigan board and others gloating and belittling them and we had to sit and take it!!
And during a slightly rough time (you still were 1 game from OT) you spit your dummies out and behave like spoilt children..
Learn to lose with dignity because you are failing miserably at the moment ...

If you tell a lie long enough, and often enough, people start to believe it.

Nothing wrong with that lineham one, whatsoever unless you want to make an issue like a bitter ex partner, peyroux i've got some sympathy over, if you use common sense with it, but the video ref isn't allowed to.

in short, if it was the other way around, there wouldn't be as big a hoo ha, and the saints fans would simply be saying, get over it, we'd have beat you anyway, cos we're better, the big brother approach.

as i said on thursday night after getting in. FUCK EM !!! and yes the swear filter is in action there.

The game is showing at the moment on TV

What channel

BBC 1

Looking at the stats Jon Wilkin made 58 tackles. Granted most were when he came in as 3rd man. When he did come in 1st it was high.