Nothing is ever good enough for our fans. You wouldn't think that we're still in the mix for the Treble, in the CC final in two weeks time and a point behind top spot. No, we have to be bursting lines on every set and scoring off of every pass.

Everyone bangs on about 2011 and putting 80 points on teams every week. Well you know what? I thought 2011 was boring. Sure the first few weeks it was alright but after that? Nah. not for me. I want to watch a game of rugby league, not a one sided blow out cricket score. Ultimately yes I want us to win every game and yes I get frustrated when we throw a game away, but that's what it is... A GAME. Even if you had Sam Burgess, Morley, Carvell, Westwood, Hill, Taylor, Ellis and whoever else as you're starting pack and bench you wouldn't be getting players bursting a line from taking a ball up in you're own 10.

Some people want the impossible from the players. They're only human, they don't spill balls or fall off tackles on purpose. Thank yourselves lucky you're not a Huddersfield, KR, Salford or Leeds fan (for this season at least anyway).

You have made the mistake of widening a single critique of pack go-forward backed up by the widely accepted SL Stats into a make believe wide ranging criticism of all things Warrington RLFC which you subsequently defend with fervour. I have not made such criticism nor have I mentioned 2011. I don't want the impossible at all, I just made an observation on Sims and his average gain, which is still undeniable.

I accept we are having a better season than last and a season almost unimaginable back in 2002 but let's not get carried away, even the most pious Wire fan will concede privately there are some significant shortcomings we need to address to even contemplate a treble (having a quality, settled 3/4 line for one which includes playing wingers)

That's very true. I should have made clear we miss a quality prop interchange forward which Dodds had the billing of. I dare not voice a criticism over Asotasi as someone will no doubt point out how he was a mis-understood, hardworking man-mountain who did all the little things and that I should stick to celebrating tries with my oversized foam hand and "T-R-Y" placard.

Quote: Winslade's Offload "Not sure where you get the 2016 numbers from BW, but according to my data; 11,037 10,631 13,678 15,008 10,940 9,024 10,370 10,513 9,259 11,724 9,829 122,013 Total 11,092 Average So yes, they are up but we are not averaging over 12k species I believe.'" www.totalrl.com/super-league-att ... last-year/

Quote: Winslade's Offload "Not sure where you get the 2016 numbers from BW, but according to my data; 11,037 10,631 13,678 15,008 10,940 9,024 10,370 10,513 9,259 11,724 9,829 122,013 Total 11,092 Average So yes, they are up but we are not averaging over 12k species I believe.'" www.totalrl.com/super-league-att ... last-year/

This thread has become like Super League itself, not as good as when it first started, and obsessed with statistics..

Come on fellas, bickering over prop's metres per drive average is as dull as our constant scooting tactics.
Scooting is OK, but in moderation. Smith and Agar seem obsessed by it. We have one of the world's great No 7's in our ranks, yet he doesn't (to me) get his hands on the ball enough. Add to this, a rampaging No. 11, who's seen less balls than Anne Widdecombe, in the last few weeks. We've become dull. There, I've said it. dull, dull, dull, mind-numbingly dull. I don't want win at all costs, robotic rugby. I WANT TO BE ENTERTAINED. If that means losing games, and unfortunately a final, so be it. I don't want the Wigan attitude of "b0ll0cks to the fans, just make sure we get the two points/trophy".

Unfortunately, today's fan has morphed into a Top Trumps bore, who can recite which particular player had most runs from dummy half/metres gained/hit ups. Give me an Andy Gregory pass to Mark Roberts, a Kevin Penny special, a dust up between Boyd and Sorenson, Michael Shenton gliding across a pitch, a Phil Blake chip and chase......THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT. not Russell running from acting half, instead of doing what a winger is supposed to do....beat men and score tries.

I blame Phil Larder.

I am afraid that data was compiled back in April 2016 and benefitted from that big 15k crowd when we played Widnes and all their fans were a bit giddy from their high placing in SL. Since then attendances have slipped back a bit.

Me and you are definitely on the same page here

Thank God for lefty on this. He is right. Someone earlier in the thread even suggested Martin Offiah wouldn't be picked now as he wouldn't be able to smash it up from dummy half (I hope he wasn't being serious). I watched Alex Murphy (and honestly) something seemed to happen every time he touched the ball ... I wonder what his stats were??

Lefty goldblatt..... the voice of reason
Seriously, we have talent, but we're just not using it. It's just metres, metres, metres. Why are we persisting in playing a loose forward, as an auxiliary prop? DULL. I want a LF to be on the fringes, looking for opportunities, not playing crash bang wallop rugby. Oh, hang on, the Aussies do it. Pish. I got one of those sticks recently, which enables me to watch the NRL.....I didn't last long. My Saturday morning insomnia was immediately cured.

With my England head on, we (as a game) seem obsessed with the bore fest that is the NRL. It's all about yardage and stats. We copy, but we can't beat them. Will we ever? Come November, why not just fling the ball about. We've not won a recognised tournament (with the Aussies involved) since 1972 FFS. They'll be laughing into their Foster's should we try and copy them.

Wingers > props metres gained > attendance.

FFS keep on topic!

Perhaps the thread title needs to be changed to Whingers?

THIS ^^^