yeah but prior to that you stated he will never make a rugby league player. I doubt that will be the last time your wrong.....

If you look over last season and this, Chris Riley makes more errors then Kevin Penny, but that will be ignored. Riley also cost us a try in the semi which helped Wigan get a sniff...ignored again, he got rinsed last week by Amos Roberts...ignored again. If any of these had happened to Penny we'd be getting threads like these. It's disgusting. I'd like to point out that I'm not having a pop at Riley just pointing out that all players make mistakes but some are unfairly singled out.

Some players are good but at different levels.Maybe kp level is national league 1.Dont slate him he a warrington lad who does his best.A season long loan maybe good for him maybe.

This is only a fair conversation to have when we have something to judge him over, over a period of time.

Everyone else, has had circa 20 games under Smith now, so we can make pretty good assesments of the ones that have kicked on under Smith, gone backwards under Smith, don't fit the new mantra, need to show more, whatever.

To judge someone on one appearance, completely unfair. If that's how it goes, one crack, one judgement. Well, we'd have had to have found a new squad after Harlequins away.

He might go, we might never get this opportunity, then we'll judge him from afar, fair enough. If he does stay, I hope he works hard over the winter, I hope he forces his way in next year, and he gets the same opportunity to win the critics over like Monghan, King, Harrison, Cooper, Briers, Riley and co have done on here.

12 Months back, when he had problems, missed matches. The vibe was, don't know what he is, doesn't do anything, get rid. Folk on here were demanding to know, they had a right to know what was wrong with the lazy beggar. A year in sport is a long time. Crikey, folk have been pushing Westwood out of the door on here in the last month, he's been immense for three years.

and what division does ben black play in???when did you see cock ups like that in super league..

I remember Martin Gleeson doing the exact same thing from a 20-metre restart within the last 12 months.

How too be-little a player. Look at the last 8 pages in this thread. How too get a player too have no confidence. look at the last 8 pages of this thread.

Just Browny - it was a tap penalty Gleeson was taking when he knocked on. I remember it well.

Yep, it was actually.

You lift the edge of the carpet, I'll grab the broom.

Really?? So chanting for a player to die makes you the best fans nowadays does it?? Shocking behaviour - especially after the losses this year already!

ridiculous comment ..........mistakes happen at every level of sport....
watch the footy show and the top 5 howlers clips they show.....

people playing the ball the wrong way in State of origin FFS........ top level NRL Nathan Brown at hooker passing the ball to a bloke that had fallen over...!!! someone passing to a player that is being substituted....!!

wendell sailors had so much stick for dropping high balls he now waves to the crowd every time he catches one. and he is arguably one of the worlds best wingers.

Jesus How do you react when a premieship footballer makes an air shot....... oooohhh they should be playing sunday league football

i'm afraid you are talking rubbish on this one...