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Quote: Quadrivium "Wasn`t it Henry Ford who said that the wheels of Capitalism can only turn if the workers are paid to the maximum which the employer can afford ...

On your separate post concerning the minimum wage surely the removal of it will only serve as a taxpayer funded subsidy to employers as the Welfare State would be required to prop up incomes - if you can`t pay £5.50 an hour then effectively your business model is non existent -you don`t have a business or deserve too imo ...'"


Good contribution. It's more complex, just to continue the debate though I see no problem in businesses offering their sales staff a "we pay 10% commission on all revenue generated by your efforts". Employees who generate £0 get £0, those whose generate £1M get £100k. i.e) strike out min wage and piece work directives.

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who gives a hoot?

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Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "My personal view is that i would prefer a meritocracy it seems the most logical way of governance. What would your view be on that my good sir?'"


Hard to argue against a meritocracy, so I wont. But an interesting debate can be had when discussing "how to decide who is merit worthy". Classic question like who moderates the moderators*. Who is merit worthy enough to judge merits?

[size*This is by no means a criticism of the moderation process and is posted within the guidelines of the AUP. [/size

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Quote: bettyswallocks "who gives a hoot?'"

Nah you're right. Fook it, doesn't affect me.

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Quote: getdownmonkeyman "Having not read their policies, can you tell me what their stance is on European Jews and Muslims?'"


The BNP don't have much of a problem with Jews, they actually have a Jewish councillor in Patricia Richardson and many Jewish members.

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Quote: Latchford Wolvesfan "The BNP don't have much of a problem with Jews, they actually have a Jewish councillor in Patricia Richardson and many Jewish members.'"



bloody ell . i bet there as tight as a camels bum in a sandstorm.

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Quote: Wires71 "Hard to argue against a meritocracy, so I wont. But an interesting debate can be had when discussing "how to decide who is merit worthy". Classic question like who moderates the moderators*. Who is merit worthy enough to judge merits?

[size*This is by no means a criticism of the moderation process and is posted within the guidelines of the AUP. [/size'"

if you have a collection of good merit worthy people they (in theory) should police each other. Still though like you said, how do you know if they are merit worthy ? as one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I think firstly you find all the leading professors in each of their fields and they choose who they think is the most morally suitable. After that they put the case to the people as to the reason why they chose that person and then let the public decide if that is a merit worthy reason.
It would make sense for the health minister to be from the health service and the guy running the budget to be a master of economics. Who says the Vulcans are dull

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Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "if you have a collection of good merit worthy people they (in theory) should police each other. Still though like you said, how do you know if they are merit worthy ? as one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I think firstly you find all the leading professors in each of their fields and they choose who they think is the most morally suitable. After that they put the case to the people as to the reason why they chose that person and then let the public decide if that is a merit worthy reason.
It would make sense for the health minister to be from the health service and the guy running the budget to be a master of economics. Who says the Vulcans are dull'"


being dull is logical, captain icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Latchford Wolvesfan "The BNP don't have much of a problem with Jews, they actually have a Jewish councillor in Patricia Richardson and many Jewish members.'"



if you have a group of say 6

and you all want to be the top dog, you all fight you might come out on top but you might get beat.

a savvy person says what i'll do is align myself with 4 of them and get rid of one. now there are 5

Then he has a word with 3 and gets rid of another one. (you see where im going here).

The BNP are not all neanderthal supremacists some of them are well educated and manipulative.

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Quote: slimwire66 "being dull is logical, captain
i meant the guys between Earlstown and Burtonwood icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "if you have a collection of good merit worthy people they (in theory) should police each other. Still though like you said, how do you know if they are merit worthy ? as one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I think firstly you find all the leading professors in each of their fields and they choose who they think is the most morally suitable. After that they put the case to the people as to the reason why they chose that person and then let the public decide if that is a merit worthy reason.
It would make sense for the health minister to be from the health service and the guy running the budget to be a master of economics. Who says the Vulcans are dull'"


And therein lies the problem. The public choose who is most merit worthy without neccessarily being in the best place to comment.

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Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "if you have a group of say 6

and you all want to be the top dog, you all fight you might come out on top but you might get beat.

a savvy person says what i'll do is align myself with 4 of them and get rid of one. now there are 5

Then he has a word with 3 and gets rid of another one. (you see where im going here).

The BNP are not all neanderthal supremacists some of them are well educated and manipulative.'"


As an aside, is that an accidental oxymoron?

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Quote: Wires71 "And therein lies the problem. The public choose who is most merit worthy without neccessarily being in the best place to comment.'"


How to make sure you get a fair slice of a pie

one person cuts it, the other person chooses the slice.

If you cut the bigger slice the other person might chose it so you have to make sure it's fair and equal.

We need to equate that to politics somehow.

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Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "How to make sure you get a fair slice of a pie

one person cuts it, the other person chooses the slice.

If you cut the bigger slice the other person might chose it so you have to make sure it's fair and equal.

We need to equate that to politics somehow.'"


Good answer. But say if the public wanted a slice of a different, unoffered, pie?

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Quote: Wires71 "Good answer. But say if the public wanted a slice of a different, unoffered, pie?'"

i know, the trouble is with the majority of public is that they are reactionary (facebook groups for proof) and sometimes quite dangerous. im stumped to be honest. In theory life's answers are so simple but the reality is people want different things and to get a consensus on anything is a major achievement

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