You think the minimum punishment for that particular grade is harsh for being racist. There’s no debate here.

Because you say so?

A reasonable discussion which doesn't involve racism or insults is fine within the AUP, but let's keep it civil guys.

I will for sure, that is what I hope for.

Racism is unacceptable full stop. It doesn't need a campaign or such for it to be so. To explain away a player racially abusing a fellow professional as it being done in the heat of the moment and the minimum - I repeat the minimum - ban being imposed because of a good character reference beggars belief. He racially abused a fellow professional. However many times I say it, I can't believe it or that he has a future in the game.

A "reasonable discussion" would be fine. But we've not made a good start to this topic.

I can differentiate between racial language and racism. I struggle with a hierarchy of insults. What I mean by this i don't really see why if you call someone a fat c☆☆☆ that the person receiving that abuse should be ignored compared to someone being called a black c☆☆☆, would get a 8 match ban. They are insults designed to upset or rile and to do so you say what you know what will push the buttons and in the heat of a combatative sport.
Now I see this very different to someone that repeatedly uses racist language during a game or treating people of other races differently to their own race.
If Tony clubb was called a fat c , a southern c, a white c, a big nose c etc.. what ban should the player that called him those things get?

Just for accuracy ... it was reported that Tony Club called Andre Savelio "a stupid Polynesiun c"

Yeah I know, I was making hypothetical insults. Cheers

I don't think if you can't see the difference between calling someone fat or Southern on the one hand and racially abusing someone on the other that there is much to discuss. It is so self evidently on a different scale that you're not going to get it. I have left out the reference to calling him a white whatever as that is a whole different argument.

If I used the kind of language it is reported Clubb did in my workplace, I'd be sacked and rightly so.

No suspension, no previous good behaviour, no mitigation, no warning.

Wigan and the RFL have undermined the whole zero tolerance campaign to eliminate racism from the game, and you can add this to the other thread bemoaning why the games governing body is overseeing the slow, painful demise of the sport.

Spot on.

In the heat of confrontation and wanting to cause as much offence as possible all kinds will get said. Context is everything and offence is subjective for all we know if clubs was called a fat ..... that might hurt him to the core. Nobody else that I know of has come forward to complain about clubb so doesn't have a history of abusing players of colour. Abuse is abuse, I don't think its right to say some is no problem and others is bannable even more so than forearming someone in the face. I think it detracts from real racism.

I think you're wrong.

Well thats fine, we all have opinions.