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Our main worry will be dealing with Saints backs & their amazing line speed.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Duckie, for the record could you tell us what you class as our "complete pack" that would win us the double.

Last year your post mortem of the Challenge Cup Final was that our pack had been battered by Catalans and so Patton couldn't compete etc.

That pack was

We are crying out for 2 good props to partner hill n coop. Our back row with both currie and hughes is too one dimensional either Bmm or Livett both had success running out wide. I think we have the ability to recruit the players we need wth the players on their way out and with possible future departures

But even hil n coop struggle to stop the saints forwards at times.

I think it will be interesting to see if any of the youngsters get another call up. I think it will be pointless paying Dean against Wigan. I think they will target him but I think that he had a good game in one if our most critiqued positions. Don't judge ahim by his mistakes but how he reacted and I think that was impressive.

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Quote: Dezzies_right_hook "We are crying out for 2 good props to partner hill n coop. Our back row with both currie and hughes is too one dimensional either Bmm or Livett both had success running out wide. I think we have the ability to recruit the players we need wth the players on their way out and with possible future departures

But even hil n coop struggle to stop the saints forwards at times.

I think it will be interesting to see if any of the youngsters get another call up. I think it will be pointless paying Dean against Wigan. I think they will target him but I think that he had a good game in one if our most critiqued positions. Don't judge ahim by his mistakes but how he reacted and I think that was impressive.'"


Agree with all of that, especially the bit about Dean. The best thing about his performance was how the mistakes didn't effect him and he didn't go missing at any point. You wonder why we don't give youngsters more of a run out to blood then early wheb it isn't necessity. Dean could have been on the bench a few times to spell Austin and keep him fresh/ keep patton honest. Sure he could play 9 too if push comes to shove. Not often but select games.

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Quote: rubber duckie "It matters nothing to me where we play...if we have the best team, we win'"

Ha ha ha ha ha Well obviously if we have the best team we win, that's like saying if i run the fastest in a sprint race i'll win......well obviously ha ha ha
Theres just one problem.....we don't has the best team and we have a coach who refuses to change a losing team around or drop players who aren't performing. We've already lost the CC in my eyes. Will watch it but just to watch a game of rugby, i can't see anything but a loss and will have my mind blown if we pulled a win out of the hat.

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We had the best team in 2012 and didn't win! That's what gives me a feint hope for the challenge Cup and also playoffs (if we make them). It's a very, very feint hope though I don't have confidence in the coach and some of the players at the minute.

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Quote: CW8 "We had the best team in 2012 and didn't win! That's what gives me a feint hope for the challenge Cup and also playoffs (if we make them). It's a very, very feint hope though I don't have confidence in the coach and some of the players at the minute.'"


I have this hope too. Like yours it’s very feint, but I recall that Wigan weren’t great last year but won when it mattered (I actually think they’ll win it again this year). But happy to be wrong if we do turn out to surprise everyone.

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I think we should travel to Wigan with only 100% fir players ,so there's likely to be run outs for younger players
Yes , Wigan will probably be level on points come next week but the second place is in our own hands still due to points superiority, so if we can win the last 3 games (if) we will finish 2nd , definitely 3rd
There is still hope ,wire have hit a real slump and lost our way (discipline being a main issue , most sin bins 2019? Confidence aswell) when you have this problem we know it affects your abilities we are not a bad team and I'm sure we can turn this around
I'm as frustrated as all fans on here but I do believe we can end this season on a real positive note
Our support has been fantastic and the team know it so let's give the wire a big push to the end of the season
C.O.Y.W.

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Send all fringe players who wants to fight for contention for a bench spot at Wembley, if case we lose someone in preparation and the u19s.
Win at Wembley at all cost and zero risk at Wigan...we don't need to win it.

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Quote: CW8 "We had the best team in 2012 and didn't win! That's what gives me a feint hope for the challenge Cup and also playoffs (if we make them). '"


I'm not sure this logic works but it seems to have also been taken on as our recruitment strategy since about 2013.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "I'm not sure this logic works but it seems to have also been taken on as our recruitment strategy since about 2013.'"


It's all I've got Sally, please don't take it away from me.

Our recruitment has been decent from within superleague, it's our overseas that aren't the same calibre. King, monoghan and hicks in the same season. Let that sink in! Who since then has been that standard? Austin, joel and Waterhouse? I know the salary cap has changed but other clubs seem to be managing far better than us.

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Quote: CW8 "It's all I've got Sally, please don't take it away from me.

Our recruitment has been decent from within superleague, it's our overseas that aren't the same calibre. King, monoghan and hicks in the same season. Let that sink in! Who since then has been that standard? Austin, joel and Waterhouse? I know the salary cap has changed but other clubs seem to be managing far better than us.'"


Peta Hiku & Chris Sandow (until the snow started falling)

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Quote: Builth Wells Wire "Peta Hiku & Chris Sandow (until the snow started falling)'"


It’s a shame we couldn’t keep hold of Hiku and he (& his partner) that couldn’t settle over here. He was awesome for those 11/12 games, he would certainly sort out our much needed centre problems if we was arriving next year.

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I don't get the love in for hiku, he lifted us for sure but almost all the games he played for us were in middle 8s against weaker opposition that we should never have been playing. I don't recall him being any better than Goodwin really. Don't get me wrong I'd rather we kept hold of him but I don't think we can put him in the same bracket as monoghans, king, hicks etc.

Sandow was very average when he signed, then he was magical the start of the following season until his injury and came back the same Sandow that arrived. He lost his way with spells on the sidelines it seems, but when he was good it was worth the admission fee just to watch him alone. In a way I think sandow is the most dissapointing of the lot, he showed us what he could do and then showed us the flaws to his genius.

Gidley was a good player but we didn't see the best of him, which is just down to the timing in his career.

The point is whoever we list as overseas recruits since Joel, none have exactly been as good or had the same sort of impact and influence on the team.

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Sandow lost his way with Leon's sherbet.

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For me, Sandow was the most exciting, spontaneous, genius of a player I've watched in p and b. It's subjective, but I've watched Wire since 1987 and seen some amazing players play for us including the likes of Jonathan Davies who was just incredible for us. But Sandow had pretty much everything. He was SL player of the month for those first 3 months he performed with us from the start of that season.
Our season started to shred when he went off at Wigan with the leg strain after taking us 20 odd points up before half time, including that brilliant try where he kicked to Penny on the wing. Pure gold dust was Sandow.

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