In other words I hope we field a team without our stars. A flogging like at London a few years ago is just collateral damage.

What's your goat with Toby?

Nothing personal, just don't rate him highly as a top SL Centre yet.

I could never imagine him in the Wigan, Saints or Leeds side and I use that as the comparative benchmark.

I thought the same about Rhys Evans for years against much criticism too.

Difference is though that T.Kings shows something almost every game he plays. Rhys didn't.

Plus i believe if Toby was in a Wigan set up he'd be on the level that Gildart is now.

Right centres for the clubs you name last weekend:

Wigan - Willie Isa
Leeds - Jimmy Keinhorst
St Helens - Elvis Costello

Now, we can have a healthy debate about whether King is better than all of those three (I would say he was), but to say you 'could never imagine' him getting past any of those three suggests a pretty deep seated personal beef.

He'd certainly get in the current Leeds starting 13.

It's not this week that concerns me it's the Hull game on the Thursday after the final. Win or lose at Wembley the coaches will have a huge task to get the players up/down with a five day turnaround never mind the fatigue factor. Our skinny squad will definitely be tested that week.

I think it might be best to right off the Hull game in your mind - win or lose.

It looks to me that Price wants to win this one...then party off Hull.
Seems fair to me.

I'll just check that again with you.... did you mean 'everyone'?

I like Toby King, i think he can still develop alot more and i think he'll be a much more dynamic centre than Atkins.
As for the Hull game i don't think win or lose the final we would slack off. Bodene, M.Brown, Pomeroy,G.King if not Picked, M.Smith,Possibly Atkins all coming in to rest players would do a good job and i don't think we'd be easy pickings for Hull. Gonna be an interesting 3 weeks

King had a belting game against Leeds that's for sure.

I guess it was all those times he bombed chances by not passing that have stuck with me, plus I'm not convinced of his out and out pace. Anyhow time will tell, I hope he goes on to flourish and be an England international (if he doesnt want to limit himself to Ireland).

Yes. I don't understand where you are going with this.