Look about the same size as Livett or Farrell of Wigan ... might be wrong but I don't think size is an issue.

Fair enough Smiffy but I did say that I wasn't convinced rather than over my dead body. I think that Livett is the biggest out of our three and agree that size isn't the be all and all. Farrell and Bateman play up IMO and I'm not sure Brown and King do/can

Modern day second row/centre skills look so similar. The idea of Livett at ST was pooh pooh'd until he played there.

Indeed, which is Westwood went there and served us well, Bateman playing there for England ahead of a 'natural' centre and we have the regular Atkins debate on here, but, all of those are different 'animals' to Brown and King currently IMO

I'm with you UR.

Toby in the pack.. him getting through a game in the pack will be like trying to get through a pack of Ritz Cheese Sandwich crackers without a break in one!

So are you suggesting they aren't tough enough? I bet they are.

Fair point maybe this is not the time/game to try something new.just keep the combinations going and try to keep the game tight and take all points on offer.(ala Leeds with sinfield). I love broken crackers

Remember Duckie it's only Wigan

You can go through the SL backs and there are tough cookies who could do a job in the pack...and some have and progressed as regular forwards....but you can see those with mongrel in them.

Westwood Ellis Bateman Clubb Roberts....Bateman. yes I know before you say.



Atkins Hall have that about them. Toby King doesn't.

Will Wane be back from Russia in time for this match? I heard he had a part time post with the Colombian national team as tactician/psychologist.

Yes it's a much tougher task with the Ritz Cheese sandwich cracker.

I withdraw my comparison.

Brown and King would get mullered against Farrell and Bateman (both England international 2nd rowers) and the Wigan pack. King would be off injured before the first interchange.