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| The time will come for our youngsters
At the moment, we have better/more experienced players in those postions.
To "throw" these youngsters in at such a crucial time in the season, will (more than likely) be folly.
One bad game, does not a bad team, make.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Haven't we played these lads in some games and then we've got beaten and the fans had a go at Tony Smith for disrespecting the fixture by playing youngsters?'"
Well Rhys Evans is now in the tier 1 category of 25, along with GOB, so we need to view these players as first team pool now. That's a bit tough on Evans because he has not played a lot of games, but if either underperform, they can be expected to be 'rested' I suspect.
Outside of this we have seen Currie and Dwyer. I think both have actually done very well. Currie is only just 18 and slotted in well in the second row, whist Dwyer has had a longer run due to Monas knee injury. Unless these players are tested at this level we will never know if they can make it. So TS is going to have to pick his games, ignore the criticism and get on with it. I think we already have 8 ? Contracts up at the end of the year and an 'ageing population' of players. If I were a betting man I might think that TS is deferring the problem of player replacement because he is likely to be gone himself at the end of 2013. He only really needs a grand final for his CV to finish it off.
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| Quote: Winslade's Offload " If I were a betting man I might think that TS is deferring the problem of player replacement because he is likely to be gone himself at the end of 2013. He only really needs a grand final for his CV to finish it off.'"
He's already got 3 Grand Finals on his CV, 2 of which he's won.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "He's already got 3 Grand Finals on his CV, 2 of which he's won.'"
No, I should have been clearer. I mean job done at Warrington. 3 cc's and a SL trophy would I think be bad news for us a fans as TS would want to move on and test himself elsewhere.
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| I remember someone on here saying that Rhys Evans was a once in a generation player. Can't remember who it was, but whenever I've seen him I've been very impressed. Obviously there are his injury problems, but if fit then he should be playing a lot more next year, we don't want to see his potential go to waste.
Ben Currie is another one who should be used a bit more sparingly because of his age and the position he plays, but ideally you would like to see him in the side more often than not, on the bench at least.
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| Quote: Rob Wire "If it wasn't the play offs and so late in the day to be bringing youngsters in i can think of 2 players that needs a rest from the current 17 on their overall form this year.'"
Who?
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| There may be another reason why we can not play some of our other youngsters;
The salary cap for the group of players outside the top 25 is £75k. If we have 3 players in this group, it would mean an average salary of 25k each. Ben Currie and Brad Dwyer have played SL and fall into this category. Its possible that we may not have enough salary 'headroom' to bring in another player.
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| Quote: Winslade's Offload "If I were a betting man I might think that TS is deferring the problem of player replacement because he is likely to be gone himself at the end of 2013. He only really needs a grand final for his CV to finish it off.'"
I think that's a little harsh on the messiah although I see your POV. I think we are more or less ready for the players potentially off in the next 1-2 years.
Briers - Gaz OB to step up
Hodgo - Steve Ratchford
Morley - Chilly
Monas - Dwyer to step up
Then there's Trent, Westwood, Carvs, Higham & Woody who'll probably also be off in the next 2-3, so we've got a little more time to find their replacements if they don't get promoted from the youngsters.
Next few years could be a bumpy transitional period for us.
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| Quote: Alfie Langer No2 "I think that's a little harsh on the messiah although I see your POV. I think we are more or less ready for the players potentially off in the next 1-2 years.
Briers - Gaz OB to step up
Hodgo - Steve Ratchford
Morley - Chilly
Monas - Dwyer to step up
Then there's Trent, Westwood, Carvs, Higham & Woody who'll probably also be off in the next 2-3, so we've got a little more time to find their replacements if they don't get promoted from the youngsters.
Next few years could be a bumpy transitional period for us.'"
I didn't mean to sound harsh, simply to point out that TS is obviously ambitious, at the end of his contract, and may well consider there is nothing further to prove here. In addition, I am concerned though about potential player losses at the end of next season. You can also add Micky Higham to that list which means 4 first team players possibly going. That is a lot of change, and no senior hooker for Dwyer to understudy.
Worse case scenario; loss of coach and 4 experienced first team players. That would be tough.
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| Quote: garyhulsefan "Ah yes let's drop Tyrone McCarthy, our best player last night.
why do you think i said 'imo' moron...he didnt even play that well, how he got man of the match over players like hill, ratchford, hodgson is pathetic! everyone beens saying it he wasnt the best player, and when i say 'drop' him i mean to the bench and leave out someone like wood
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| Quote: Wire_85 "Who?'"
Mike Cooper, i was expecting more from him this year now that he has a fair bit of experience under his belt, ive been disappointed with what ive seen of him this year. Paul Wood, sometimes he can be decent but he can also be frustrating as well especially with his ball handling.
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| Quote: chrissyg1996 "why do you think i said 'imo' moron...he didnt even play that well, how he got man of the match over players like hill, ratchford, hodgson is pathetic! everyone beens saying it he wasnt the best player, and when i say 'drop' him i mean to the bench and leave out someone like wood'"
Hill was a bit off the pace (unusually for him), Ratch didn't do much of note, Hodge went off although I would say it was between him and Tyke for MOM.
Congratulations on calling someone a moron for disagreeing with you btw.
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| Quote: lefty goldblatt "The time will come for our youngsters
At the moment, we have better/more experienced players in those postions.
To "throw" these youngsters in at such a crucial time in the season, will (more than likely) be folly.
One bad game, does not a bad team, make.'"
That's the thing. Most of the time young players get into teams because a first team player in their position has got an injury. It's the same for most youngsters. But if nobody has an injury in that position or there is someone else higher up in the pecking order, the youngster wont get in.
With time and patience, if they're good enough, they'll cement their place in the side at some point.
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| Quote: danburge82 "That's the thing. Most of the time young players get into teams because a first team player in their position has got an injury. It's the same for most youngsters. But if nobody has an injury in that position or there is someone else higher up in the pecking order, the youngster wont get in.
With time and patience, if they're good enough, they'll cement their place in the side at some point.'"
Agree with this totally, only downside is the younger is always compared to he previous player in their position, for instance Gaz Obrian will always be compared to Briers, Ratchford to Hodgeson etc and woe be tide if they make an error whilst they are learning/gaining experience
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| Quote: chrissyg1996 "
why do you think i said 'imo' moron...he didnt even play that well, how he got man of the match over players like hill, ratchford, hodgson is pathetic! everyone beens saying it he wasnt the best player, and when i say 'drop' him i mean to the bench and leave out someone like wood'"
Did you watch the match or have you just named those 3 players because they are usually mentioned for MOM. Hill wasn't at his best. Hodgson went off Injured and Ratchford didn't see much ball. McCarthy was the best of a bad bunch but ignoring that game he has been in great form for a number of months anyway.
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