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Why? Gets virtually no stick on here as the CEO of this shambles of a club. Bizarre…..

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You not heard about his latest gimmick then. The club is going to be PAYING kids a quid to come to the game against Toulouse icon_lol.gif

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Oh good grief. The only way this is Fitzpatrick's fault is if Powell asked for Valentine Holmes and Fitzpatrick signed up Oliver.

The non-playing side of the club have provided the coaching staff with more than ample resources to go and do a job, and they haven't. Frankly Fitzpatrick and his team should be ed off as their job of selling season tickets for next year is now mission impossible.

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Quote: just_browny "Oh good grief. The only way this is Fitzpatrick's fault is if Powell asked for Valentine Holmes and Fitzpatrick signed up Oliver.

The non-playing side of the club have provided the coaching staff with more than ample resources to go and do a job, and they haven't. Frankly Fitzpatrick and his team should be vexed off as their job of selling season tickets for next year is now mission impossible.'"


Disagree.

This year is either an absolute disaster where the fault lies solely with the coaching staff OR the fans should have prepared for this owing to the state that the club was in at the appointment of the new coaching group.

Assuming, as the coach hasn’t been sacked, there must be a reasonable reason for the catastrophic failure so far this season. Which I think is a far assumption. That means Powell has inherited a basket case of an organisation.

An example of this, Cooper. If it is to be believed, Cooper has either a) leaving work when he wants under Price b) sought consent to balance his rugby and private business or c) its all a smokescreen to hide a fall out between a respected pro and the new coach.

If it is A, then Cooper should have been disciplined properly at the time, failing to adhere to a contract should be reported to the executives to determine gross misconduct and dismissal.

If B, then that allowance should have been granted at executive level. If it wasn’t, then they have had a lack of oversight of the head coach.

If C, they should have publicly backed a horse. The question mark over his exit is a bloody stain on an already wounded Powell. They should have backed their nan and explained to the fans what happened.

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Does anyone know what his role and responsibilities are?
How much freedom does he have to make decisions concerning recruitment of coaching staff, players, support staff?
What sales and costs tàrgets does he have?
There's a lot more but unless we know, how can we judge?

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Our management team are a collective Nero and the ruins of the club are burning for all to see.

Their silence breeds the perception they don't care, and whether that is a fair perception or not it, it fuels anger, frustration, resentment and vitriol from those that genuinely do care

Aside from the fans, I wonder what our corporate sponsors feel about having their brand associated with a bottom three bunch of bottlers, stained by talk of mutiny, upheaval, unrest and ridicule?

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Quote: just_browny "Oh good grief. The only way this is Fitzpatrick's fault is if Powell asked for Valentine Holmes and Fitzpatrick signed up Oliver.

The non-playing side of the club have provided the coaching staff with more than ample resources to go and do a job, and they haven't. Frankly Fitzpatrick and his team should be vexed off as their job of selling season tickets for next year is now mission impossible.'"

Please do list his achievements the last 5 years, try recruitment and retention (his major mandate) and see how you go.

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Quote: DallasMead2 "Please do list his achievements the last 5 years, try recruitment and retention (his major mandate) and see how you go.'"


To be honest you've put your views about him on at least two different websites just since last night so I feel like engaging with you is making me a witness to some future harassment case.

I am really in no position to judge Fitzpatrick because I don't know what his job description is or how he does it day to day. But I think it's mad to assume he decides which player to sign - that's the head coach's job - his role is seeing to the process of getting players signed up and as far as I can see that bit works well. On retention, very few players (recent exception Cooper) choose to leave us so presumably we are doing ok - in contrast to say Wigan who struggle to hold on to their talent.

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If you are to make an honest assessment of eg the appointment of Powell then you have to look at what you thought of him prior to his appointment and at the time of his appointment. Unless you were rabidly “anti” at that time then you are relying on hindsight.
I was in the “fair enough” camp. He had done a decent job at Cas on a limited budget. He had developed players while there and he knew Superleague as a long established coach rather than as an import.
I certainly didn’t foresee any major problem and I challenge anyone to say they anticipated this mess.
We have no idea what has gone on behind the scenes leading up to this point.
So the next question is what should an informed Board/CEO do next?
They have backed their man in the transfer market for next season. They have the example of Watson at Huddersfield. Powell and his team have contracts which have a monetary value if they are dismissed. There is no obvious successor as caretaker if they are all shipped out.
Logically they have to stick with him, until part way through next season and see how it develops.
I have no knowledge of KF as a person. I get that he is considered under qualified by some on here, but we have been down the high profile route and look how that turned out.
So back to KF, I can’t see that he has done anything that hasn’t been thought through, due process applied and that could have been anticipated would’ve gone wrong.
For those who ask I include the signings of Burrell and Inglis in this. They were signed as “gambles” which generated a lot of publicity and did no actual harm. Shame they didn’t work out but I have no doubt the Club were more than aware of that possibility at the time.

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I have no problem with KF personally, and no problem with how the club runs its marketing, social media etx.

But he is part of a management team that, publically at least, is setting by impotently watching us heading for the rocks.

Leeds acted,, and have turned a corner.
The Watson/Hudds analogy is a flimsy one because Watson didn't rup the squad to bits mid-season nor was he given a blank cgeque to do so.

I reiterate, I suspect the board would be more diatressesd and likely to act if the CEO of Hoover was on the phone rathwr than 4000 south standers booing.

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Quote: morrisseyisawire "I have no problem with KF personally, and no problem with how the club runs its marketing, social media etx.

But he is part of a management team that, publically at least, is setting by impotently watching us heading for the rocks.

Leeds acted,, and have turned a corner.
The Watson/Hudds analogy is a flimsy one because Watson didn't rup the squad to bits mid-season nor was he given a blank cgeque to do so.

I reiterate, I suspect the board would be more diatressesd and likely to act if the CEO of Hoover was on the phone rathwr than 4000 south standers booing.'"


Will the CEO of Hoover have to suck it up like the rest of us…………. Sorry just getting my coat now icon_lol.gif

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Quote: DallasMead2 "Why? Gets virtually no stick on here as the CEO of this shambles of a club. Bizarre…..'"


He gets plenty of comments, however you appear to be the only one with a piers morgan/Megan markle style obsession over him.

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Quote: Captain Hook "If you are to make an honest assessment of eg the appointment of Powell then you have to look at what you thought of him prior to his appointment and at the time of his appointment. Unless you were rabidly “anti” at that time then you are relying on hindsight.
I was in the “fair enough” camp. He had done a decent job at Cas on a limited budget. He had developed players while there and he knew Superleague as a long established coach rather than as an import.
I certainly didn’t foresee any major problem and I challenge anyone to say they anticipated this mess.
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Well I did, posting this 4 August 2021:-

Anyone else concerned about the performance of our next coach and his current team?
Since beating us on the 5th June they have lost 6 games on the bounce and including the CCF. Now I know they have less resources than Warrington but this is one of the worst sets of recent results in the SL. They also seem to have a lot of problems with Covid and injuries, I don’t know whether this is just bad luck or poor management.
Daryl Powell is moving to a much bigger outfit, he will have a bigger player roster some on big money and egos to manage, he will need to manage upwards and downwards, with bigger expectations and scrutiny. He has demonstrated in the past that he can develop players, hopefully he can develop the club.
If I was Mr Fitzpatrick I would be a bit worried. As am I. anyone else?

And I wouldn't say I was rabidly anti!
I am not surprised at where we are now, it is even worse than I expected and to be honest I find it all very sad. Warrington is a life long passion of mine, we have had many difficult periods mainly because we haven't had the financial resources other bigger clubs had. Now we have,we have the facilities on and off the pitch, we have some really good players and an improving academy set up. What is missing is a first class modern coaching set up. This is the requirement. Now!

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Quote: Wolf Hall "Well I did, posting this 4 August 2021
But that was my point, while many may have thought he was not the answer to GF success, few, if any, anticipated this total drop off. So not sure how KF could’ve. As for switching horses mid stream, I’m by nature fairly slow to the sack the coach party and in mitigation look at the number of Half back combinations we have had, most of which have been enforced.
I’m currently sitting in a darkened room sucking my thumb and dreaming of sunlit uplands where Tony Smith gambols in Elysian fields gurning as Moz and co run riot.

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And we still didn't win the GF.

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