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This is no knee jerk and some have already commented on some of the players but here is my list.

Ratchford
Philbin
Hughes
King
Mata’utia god knows why he was brought here
Widdop
J.Clark
Walker

May have missed some but these guys have had their day in the Sun.

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I'll only add that we should applaud Ratch as he walks away. Fantastic servant, father time has had him now.

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Quote: Philth "I'll only add that we should applaud Ratch as he walks away. Fantastic servant, father time has had him now.'"


That was reason I put him on the list, Thewlis can be the next Fullback from what I have seen of him in that position. Also think D.Clark is struggling more these days and the season as only just started, think he is going to have a tough time even finishing the season.

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Quote: karetaker "This is no knee jerk and some have already commented on some of the players but here is my list.

Ratchford
Philbin
Hughes
King
Mata’utia god knows why he was brought here
Widdop
J.Clark
Walker

May have missed some but these guys have had their day in the Sun.'"


The worrying part for you men is looking at these names most other teams would snatch your hand off if these players were for sale..

You seem to be following the same path Wigan did last year. We had great players but they had no effort in them. Soon as we lost to Catalan we fell apart.

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Just buy a freaking freak of a prop.

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I think we need to start dropping under performing players first.

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Quote: karetaker "This is no knee jerk and some have already commented on some of the players but here is my list.

Ratchford
Philbin
Hughes
King
Mata’utia god knows why he was brought here
Widdop
J.Clark
Walker

May have missed some but these guys have had their day in the Sun.'"


Philbin
Hughes
Widdop
J clark

From that list could go tomorrow for me after the rubbish last couple of matches. J Clark has put in some good stints this season but in all honesty all he is doing is preventing longstaff getting a chance. His extension was a mistake, I said at the time the money would have been better saved for any big prop who became available through the season. Sadly I think i was right.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Just buy a freaking freak of a prop.'"
Think we need more than a prop sort this mess out.

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Quote: Wires71 "I think we need to start dropping under performing players first.'"


This. Clear-outs are easy to talk about but more difficult to achieve, because of contract situations. What we can immediately do, though, is look to the likes of Thewlis, Wrench, Longstaff and Dean, and try to build a side around them. If Welsby and Dodd were at Wire, they would still be playing four games a season, while under-performing veterans got picked ahead of them.

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Unfortunately, we are seeing the results of several seasons of replacing players with inferior quality players ,either by poor scouting/management or the unavailability of quality players.
As a consolation ,not many teams will compete with Saints this year.

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Yeah there are a few players that need to move on and Powell will do that when he can and will build the squad he wants.
Hughes for me has to go, Longstaff for me has shown me more in the games i've seen than Hughes has ever.
Philbin has completely gone off the boil and should be dropped.
J.Clark i'm happy to see go.
Daz Clark is clearly struggling.
Tony king......what's happened??

Lots of effort from some but just no pay off.
Drop Philbin and give Butler a go.
Drop Hughes and let Longstaff show what he can do.
Ratchford i think is hitting the last legs department so get Thewlis somemore game time.

Lots to improve on and i didn't expect to win this game anyway so not gonna get worked up by it. There is plenty of time to get things right so i'm not gonna throw the towel in yet. But we definately need to drop under performers and shake the team up.

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Quote: karetaker "This is no knee jerk and some have already commented on some of the players but here is my list.

Ratchford
Philbin
Hughes
King
Mata’utia god knows why he was brought here
Widdop
J.Clark
Walker

May have missed some but these guys have had their day in the Sun.'"

I think saying we need to get rid of 1/3 of the top 25 salary capped players is fairly knee jerk?
We need to give players time to bed in to a new system, whilst understanding it was impossible for Powell to get a squad together he was 100% happy with in one off season.

I’m sure Hughes & Clark will leave at the end of the year and I’m sure a prop will be top of the shopping list. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water and disrupt another off season.
Also Danny Walker had his day in the sun? He’s 22 years old and captained England Knights last year!

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Without a decent pack the backs are on a hiding to nothing. They're exhausted from too much defending - and then there's no go forward for them to exploit.

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Half of the players named would be back tormenting us at other clubs if we released them. Imagine how quickly Wigan would move to sign up King - their centres are Bibby and that big lad who will end up at second row.

Sort the pack out so we can throw the wide passes in the opposition 20, not our own.

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It is useful to remember the first few months of the Tony Smith era. It wasn't all champagne and skittles.
I recall the 60 point defeat at Harlequins when Matt King reacted to the abuse that he was getting from the stands. A few months later we lifted the challenge cup for the first time in 34 years.
From memory there wasn't a wholesale clear out then and there won't be a clear out now.
After that Harlequins game Briers was dropped to the bench. Most of the players that played in that game went on to play a part of one of the most successful periods in my lifetime.
I am happy to give Powell and this group of players the time to sort it out.

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