As we’ve never been relegated from the top division, are we just wallowing in our own comfort zone as a club?

We’ve never tasted the real lows, so no motivation for the real highs.

Would relegation provide us the chance for the root and branch shake up that we’ve never had, is that the monkey?

Press the reset button

How did it work out for Bradford and Widnes?

Also we've had plenty of root and branch shake ups....

after Brian Johnson resigned, we went through an overhaul of the coaching staff and had a full churn of the playing staff in about 2 years when Alex Murphy was here

then we went through another big overhaul at the end of the DVDV time, and brought in a load of chaff, so Cullen had to do a big clear out and start again,

then we moved to the new stadium and got new investment so Cullen brought in a load of new signings,

then after 2012/2013 when a lot of our best players retired/left, TS did another big revamp of the squad.

We certainly need a reboot, a new direction and a change in policy but not necessarily in the playing staff.

three quarters of superleague clubs would gladly take our place.

What a daft post, go and have a lie down in a dark room.

Pretty sure that our dip into the Middle 8s didn't really reboot much, a couple of years ago.

But the Middle 8s didn't create the clear out that relegation would.

Daryl Clark, Ratchford, Hill, Cooper, Toby King, Austin etc would all be gone if we got relegated. So would most of the sponsors.

We could have the derbies back against Widnes though.

It shouldn't be necessary to have a relegation.

We're I suppose Tottenham were in the 90s, big club underachieving, and they probably benefitted as much from incremental improvements all around the club rather than a total rip it up and start again revolution.

I'd rather track Tottenham's trajectory since that point than say Leeds or Villa's, missing out on possibly years of top flight income.

My ideal would be all teams in one division within an all inclusive league where lower achieving clubs would get the chance of playing the top clubs ,instead of the exclusive Superleague & sod every other team.
Whether that would be practical or beneficial would be another matter though.

It used to be the case, albeit divided into two divisions by the Pennines.

I don't think it's possible given the difference in athleticism and training between, say, Warrington and Rochdale. What probably used to be a close fixture would be 80-0 almost every time and that would happen throughout the league.

I would prefer 14-16 teams in the top flight, just to break the boredom of playing Cas and Wakefield three times a season.

Yes you're dead right with the fitness & professionalism differences now but the game doesn't seem to be going anywhere & unless we drum up interest in the lower clubs the game will shrink .

I agree but there's no need to pick on Castleford and Wakefield (I know that you weren't) but the biggest failing with the current set up IMO is the possibility of playing Saints and Wigan 4 or 5 times when you throw in Magic the Cup and Play off fixtures.

Not that I'm worried about playing top opposition but repetition does devalue the big game experience

Absolutely, Wigan isn't 'special' anymore it's more a case of 'jeez, not them again !! '

Exactly. Used to look forward to the Easter weekend, when we'd play Wigan and Widnes, and it might be one of only two Wigan games all season.

And that whole Easter weekend used to throw up some mad results too as teams faced their once a year home derby: relegation-threatened Halifax/Hull KR/Fev shooting down a high-flying Bradford/Hull/Cas and so on.