How much of our situation are the players alone responsible for?
Are they letting TS and Agar down?

I'm not shying away from pointing a finger at Captain Hill no matter what the Leighther who thinks I'm a plum says. He's been bang average at the very best, captains knock my backside, he spends more time giving the opposition cheap penalties and having weekends away.
On the last couple of seasons showing...he's overrate.....or is it part of some sneaky plot....?



I've a feeling theres a conspiracy from senior big earners to condemn us to relegation and so be able to walk and get another big fat signing on contract. Don't they all stand to profit big from failure?

The players have to be responsible for their poor showings. However, things go stale. It is also up to the coach to motivate and get the best out of his players....this is obviously not happening either. So in answer to your question, it is a bit of both IMO.

As for Hill. Never a captain in a million years. Top player, hes been great for us. Yes, hes been poor this year. Apart from Atkins (and im not his biggest fan) and Julien, who hasn't been poor? For me, Hill moans too much at the officials, back chats, when no matter what the decision he needs to be bollocking his players....'you've seen the ref is giving us nothing, dont give him an excuse to penalize you'.

Personally id have Ratch as captain.

A lot.

I'm not saying that to back up your conspiracy theories on voiding contracts and we will never really know the full facts on player unrest with the coaching team BUT where is their professional pride, why can't they play for each other and us?

Very disappointing and that's putting it mildly, has anyone of them got anywhere near never mind even met their expectations?

Bar some of the youngsters Atkins is the only player who can hold his head high this season - the rest have ranged from below par to absolutely woeful.

Well, we don't know what is being said and done behind the scenes but Longbarns answer would be mine as well. The coach has to carry the can for the abysmal results this year, but the players also have a responsibility, and we seem to have gone from a situation where bad form predominated early season, to one where the majority of the players are not putting in the effort on the field. In Clark, Hill and Ratchford we have 3 internationals, yet living in the basement of SL. Even though we have weaknesses in key positions, logic would say we should be at least in the top 5 or 6 this year. It sounds as though the players have given up.

Hill has had a very poor year. And starting to get niggly with the officials and giving penalties.

I'd be happy with Ratchford as Captain. Captain material but not a fixed position. Only Warrington.

The players shoulder all responsibility on the field with the coaches shouldering the responsibility for keep them to plan, when it starts to go wrong the coaches have to step up to the plate and turn it round. Currently they have not turned anything around. I can only see that Brown is the only real change from last year, is it that the chaps are upset with him and/or his package?

I think that the players will sort themselves a scrap through to SL next year.

Hill was never a 'captain', great player (this season aside) but just not a captain.

In many respects I believe the extra responsibility of this role has actually harmed his performances.

I don't know the fella personally but to me he seems more of the 'strong and silent' type, not traits that lend themselves well to geeing the lads up..(insert further captains role here)

Just as much as smith and agar!!

There has been something not quite right from day one! Smith n agar cannot get out there make the tackles create space run lines get to dummy half for the play the ball players are just not doing it with any enthusiasm it's too late to debate the reasoning however if they are playing for new contracts then they are not doing a good job of it I feel that the split is over people getting new contracts and others not and their performances have reflected that

I'm not a fan of smiths game plan and how we're playing ATM and the players probably not over enthused about itvbutbthey have a choice stick to the plan or play what's in front of them! If they really wanted to win then they would play to win and they are not which is why in part barring a handful I wouldn't be bothered if they were here not here next year want professional players who's desire to win is greater than any kind of disgruntlement!!

Which clubs are going to take any of Warrington's players on fat contracts for next year, then? Most sensible clubs would be steering well clear of the vast majority of the current squad on this year's evidence.

Look at any business that's had a change in fortunes.

The business is doing well, staff performing well, rewards being reaped.

In time, business starts to falter and less rewards are reaped. Head of business doesn't respond to changing market conditions and persists with old business plan.

Does HE get replaced? Or do the STAFF get replaced?

I think the players are are bit 'Leicester City' in all this...... my money is on getting rid of Smith a seeing a COMPLETE turn around in attitude.... Smith has lost them. None of them are enjoying playing rugby at the minute, and that's the main problem.

New coach, new ideas, new start.... im amazed were still persisting with this current suicidal plunge to the championship.

The players are completely responsible. For all the complexities of modern rugby league, if you run harder and tackle harder that your opponents, you won't be far off. We plod into contact and drop off tackles. While the intricacies and details are for the coach to plan for, knocking your opponent on his back is a black and white science.

It doesn't matter if they are to blame. 25+ full time players vs 2 head coaches/assistant coach.

No brainer where the first change starts.

Lack of an enforcer type player or two has been mentioned as part of our demise, and probably so.

However our own team also seems to lack an enforcer type player or two to maintain a bit of a healthy fear factor within the ranks,

There is nobody to keep them all in line, they just do what they want, a bunch of celebs basically