Since our GF defeat i have heard it stated that it is 57 years since we won the title. What exactly do they mean. Surely in the last 57 years we have won every domestic honour barring the Superleague GF, which has only been around for 18 years.

If the title is based on final league position, then we have done this twice to my knowledge, last year and in the 70's when I first started watching the Wire.

If it is based on the winning of a top finishing play-off competition, then we have done that in 1988 and again in the 70's.

57 years since we were champions......

I'm guessing this thread is going to descend into another tedious debate about the various methods in which RL has found to crown its champions??....

Why do people insist on blaming Sky? Little tip for you - Sky didn't exist in 1955, the last time we were crowned champions, after winning the Championship Final that followed a playoff system, which has been the most common method of finding the champions in the whole history of RL. NOT just SL and NOT just since Sky.

"after winning the Championship Final that followed a playoff system, which has been the most common method of finding the champions"

Why didn't our Prem win at Elland Rd in the late 80s count then?

....Jesus wept....You really need it explaining???

Quote: TF and the wire ""after winning the Championship Final that followed a playoff system, which has been the most common method of finding the champions" Why didn't our Prem win at Elland Rd in the late 80s count then?'" Because that year the champions were decided using the league table. The top 8 played off for a seperate trophy called the Premiership. That ran from 1975 to 1997. The Championship Playoffs ran from 1907 to 1974. SL Playoffs started in 1998. RL started in 1895. So I make that 113 Championships in all, with 32 decided using the league table and 81 using playoffs and final. So playoffs and a final is a very traditional method in RL. Quite a bit of history at: www.rugbyleagueproject.org/

Quote: TF and the wire ""after winning the Championship Final that followed a playoff system, which has been the most common method of finding the champions" Why didn't our Prem win at Elland Rd in the late 80s count then?'" Because that year the champions were decided using the league table. The top 8 played off for a seperate trophy called the Premiership. That ran from 1975 to 1997. The Championship Playoffs ran from 1907 to 1974. SL Playoffs started in 1998. RL started in 1895. So I make that 113 Championships in all, with 32 decided using the league table and 81 using playoffs and final. So playoffs and a final is a very traditional method in RL. Quite a bit of history at: www.rugbyleagueproject.org/

So basically in the past we have won the title necessary to be called champions but in the wrong years.

Oh and Dita's slot meter......do one will ya

Although there has been some differences over the 117 year history of rugby league about how the champions are decided, the one consistency has been the fact that at the start of every single season every club in the game has known what they will need to do to win the championship that season.

Warrington RLFC last succeeded in doing this in 1955.

Simple as that really innit?

I'm sure if we fail to do it again next season at least ten more threads like this will crop up once our season is over mind. If we win the LLS another ten will be posted before the play offs even start by people wanting us to be crowned immediately rather than risk losing out again which will of course be Sky's fault.

No, basically we haven't been champions since 1955.....We've won play off competitons when they were a Cup comp, and topped tables when it meant zilch.

.... though of course when we won the 86 premiership we did beat (let the record show that we stuffed em m'lud) the champions (and table toppers) Halifax in the final.

So on that basis we were like Leeds.

Does it still not count?

You can claim the 1986 one to Aussies because if you tell them we "won a Premiership" in 1986 they will think that means the Grand Final, so our barren streak is only as long as Parramatta's.