A whole 20 minutes build up.

The BBC are really pushing the boat out there.

is it on bbc HD?

About as likely you turning out to be an real woman.

You can tape the red button on freeview if you plug the box into the video player but the only problem is you would have to leave it on channel 1 before you went out and then change the channel to 301 at 4.30 otherwise no

20 mins build up, they give more than that to Eastenders with that bloke whizzing around, playing basketball in his wheelchair.

Yes - I noticed that when they plugging it at the end of the last SL show.

They had more for the semi.

That really is rubbish. You would hope at least 45 minutes.

I remember 2005 (when we last went). They did the feature on John Kear, Rob Burrow and the "Challenge Cup Challenge" quiz in The Willows. A good bunch of build-up.

Just shows how many monkeys the BBC could give over Rugby League these days.

Had a discussion about this on the virtual terrace. It's an absolute disgrace that the BBC are treating our showpiece occasion as if it were just another game. You wonder if it would be the same had Saints or Wigan made the final but that shouldn't make a difference should it.

BBC website has had kick off as 3pm for days. What do you expect from them?

I remember that one. They had Ganson as a "Mystery Guest" in the Challenge Cup Question of Sport. They also interviewed him in the referees dressing room because it was his first CC Final or something like that.

Whilst it is disappointing, for the semi finals we did get a 30 minute build up.

Was Grandstand still on in 2005?

I think the demise of Grandstand cocks us up a touch on things like cup final day. It used to come on at 12.15ish, and they would be based at Wembley, with features and chat in between all the other sports. Overall, the build up used to be much more than 20-30mins, however now it needs to be scheduled in as a programme in itself the coverage is shorter.