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| Just watching the Wakefield match for the first time since being there on friday night and again I find myself really impressed by how well Wakefiled perform with a hand - full of class players and some hard workers (sorry if there are any Wakefield fans reading).
When trying to select an ideal manager for Warrington I am not sure Kear would have the trophy winning mentality that I would want but at least we would defend well, make less errors, have better discipline and if we lose we will be able to say at least we tried our hardest.
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| Quote ="Dawson"When trying to select an ideal manager for Warrington I am not sure Kear would have the trophy winning mentality that I would want.'"
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"icon_eek.gif
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Indeed. Kear won the Cup twice inside 10 years. We've won it once in 50 years!!
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| How likely is it he would ever be appointed Coach of Saints or Leeds........??
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"How likely is it he would ever be appointed Coach of Saints or Leeds........??'"
I'm not saying he would be my first choice - but he's a damn sight better than what we've got and he has won the cup twice.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"How likely is it he would ever be appointed Coach of Saints or Leeds........??'"
Very unlikely I would think. People would be spitting about lack of ambition if he ever came here.
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| Kear reached as high a club as he could when he was at hull and they had to get rid to move on to the next level(i.e the Grand final). He is just a much better version of cullen in the sense that he can get the best out of a group of average players. Any club with aspirations of the Grand final does not appoint John Kear. Top bloke though.
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| What we should have done 2 or 3 years ago was appoint Kear as Cullen's No 2 - I said that then and I still maintain that this was the way forward.
We are currently a training ground for aspiring coaches, must stop !!
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| Kear is a good coach and a good man manager, especially with younger players who he has always been good at getting the most out of. I would definitely have him at Warrington.
He's always been good at big games and knockout situations, not only did he do the two great cup runs to win Sheffield and Hull Challenge Cups against the odds, he took over Wakefield in situation impossible in 2006 where they had to win 4 from their last 6 or something to stay up, and he did it.
He doesn't seem to work as well with high profile overseas players as he does young British lads though, this happened at Hull with Stephen Kearney and Richard Swain, Hull wanted to give Kearney a coaching job when he retired as a player but he wouldn't work under Kear. Some of these guys seemed to think Kear is more of a media personality than a good coach.
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| Kear's results when coaching 'lesser' teams speak for themselves.
Agree with Sally regarding working with 'star' players, or those who think of themselves as 'stars'.
That's why I don't think he'd work well for us.
How many 'stars' have we?
How many players think of themselves as 'stars' but aren't?
Not many of the former. A lot of the latter.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Kear is a good coach and a good man manager, especially with younger players who he has always been good at getting the most out of. I would definitely have him at Warrington.
He's always been good at big games and knockout situations, not only did he do the two great cup runs to win Sheffield and Hull Challenge Cups against the odds, he took over Wakefield in situation impossible in 2006 where they had to win 4 from their last 6 or something to stay up, and he did it.
He doesn't seem to work as well with high profile overseas players as he does young British lads though, this happened at Hull with Stephen Kearney and Richard Swain, Hull wanted to give Kearney a coaching job when he retired as a player but he wouldn't work under Kear. Some of these guys seemed to think Kear is more of a media personality than a good coach.'"
Would you have him over Smith or Hanley?
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| Quote ="fes"Kear's results when coaching 'lesser' teams speak for themselves.
Agree with Sally regarding working with 'star' players, or those who think of themselves as 'stars'.
That's why I don't think he'd work well for us.
How many 'stars' have we?
How many players think of themselves as 'stars' but aren't?
Not many of the former. A lot of the latter.'"
He'd therefore be perfect for us. As we haven't won anything for 18 years, we are surely a lesser team.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Would you have him over Smith or Hanley?'" I'd take kear over Hanley.
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| I thought you were getting Tony Smith ?
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| not my favourite bloke but he can get players playing for the shirt and each other,something we have not had here for years.
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| I like Kear, he comes across as a good bloke whenever he is on TV, and he has had some great success with his teams.
I always think it is difficult to measure how good a coach really is though, as they don't all work under the same conditions.
Noble did a great job at Bradford, however not so good after the first year as GB boss, and many want him out at Wigan now.
Millward was seen by many (Saints fans) as the best coach around, yet he was shown up at Wigan.
McRae hasn't exactly shown himself to be a genius away from Saints.
Monie hasn't done much at his last few clubs.
Smith is now getting stick after the World Cup.
It is also worth remembering that after their awful run last year, many wanted Kear out at Wakefield.
Sometimes, at certain clubs, things just click, but that doesn't mean that if Wire had got Daniel Anderson for example that we could have gone on and lost in two consecutive Grand Finals.
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| Any way your not having him , good luck against the Whino's.
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| Quote ="wildycat"Any way your not having him
, good luck against the Whino's.'"
Sound, we don't want him thanks. While I accept he'd be an improvement on Lowes, we need a top class coach, preferably Australian.
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| Quote ="Dave T"I like Kear, he comes across as a good bloke whenever he is on TV, and he has had some great success with his teams.
I always think it is difficult to measure how good a coach really is though, as they don't all work under the same conditions.
Noble did a great job at Bradford, however not so good after the first year as GB boss, and many want him out at Wigan now.
Millward was seen by many (Saints fans) as the best coach around, yet he was shown up at Wigan.
McRae hasn't exactly shown himself to be a genius away from Saints.
Monie hasn't done much at his last few clubs.
Smith is now getting stick after the World Cup.
It is also worth remembering that after their awful run last year, many wanted Kear out at Wakefield.
Sometimes, at certain clubs, things just click, but that doesn't mean that if Wire had got Daniel Anderson for example that we could have gone on and lost in two consecutive Grand Finals.'"
At one point, wasn't it reported on Sky Sports News that he'd left the club, and within hours was hastily denied.
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| Quote ="FireWire"Sound, we don't want him thanks. While I accept he'd be an improvement on Lowes, we need a top class coach, preferably Australian.'"
My choice?
I'd move heaven and earth to get Justin Morgan - and I thought that from the day they put us out of the CC a few years ago, but be honest, who would leave any club at the moment to get involved with us?
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| Quote ="Monmouth Wire"My choice?
I'd move heaven and earth to get Justin Morgan - and I thought that from the day they put us out of the CC a few years ago, but be honest, who would leave any club at the moment to get involved with us?'" I wouldn't touch any coach who has not won trophies at the highest level. Preferably at two different clubs, although I'm sure that would limit the numbers quite a lot!
According to a league official, up to 10 clubs are now spending pretty much the full salary cap, so this must include the likes of Hull KR, so it will be interesting to see what they do this year.
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| Thing is DaveT in that CC game his club was a league below us and he had his game plan bang on against us.
During the game it struck me that he had Cull in his pocket and the result proved that. Would like to have known what he could have done with our "talent" as I think he really is a stand out coach but I understand where you are coming from - by the way, who does that leave us with to choose from?
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| Quote ="Monmouth Wire"Thing is DaveT in that CC game his club was a league below us and he had his game plan bang on against us.
During the game it struck me that he had Cull in his pocket and the result proved that. Would like to have known what he could have done with our "talent" as I think he really is a stand out coach but I understand where you are coming from - by the way, who does that leave us with to choose from?'" Really not sure. Not sure if it was earlier in this thread where I discussed it, but I have concerns with hiring someone who has just done well at one top level club. Millward was always rated as a world beater, yet screwed Wigan up. McRae has done nothing since Saints.
Maybe my criteria of silverware at two clubs is over the top, but I would like someone who has proven themselves at two clubs, or in two comps.
I am very interested to see how Wayne Bennet goes at St George this year, and how Daniel Anderson goes at Parramatta.
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| Quote ="Dave T"Really not sure. Not sure if it was earlier in this thread where I discussed it, but I have concerns with hiring someone who has just done well at one top level club. Millward was always rated as a world beater, yet screwed Wigan up. McRae has done nothing since Saints.
Maybe my criteria of silverware at two clubs is over the top, but I would like someone who has proven themselves at two clubs, or in two comps.
I am very interested to see how Wayne Bennet goes at St George this year, and how Daniel Anderson goes at Parramatta.'"
i've mixed feelings over the first part, wigan were ballsed up prior to millward turning up, money was tight, the squad was crap and tbh i don't think you could blame him, he wasn't there long. But his record of improvement with leigh was very good, so he had something about him, and kept and sort of maintained st helens for a while.
Likewise, tony smith, did a season with huddersfield in the NL, got them promoted and had a decent first season in sl then went to leeds, and the rest is history.
I'd like to say morgan looks like he's got something about him, that he wouldn't sink if he were chucked in at a big(ger club).
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| Quote ="Rictoria Cat"i've mixed feelings over the first part, wigan were ballsed up prior to millward turning up, money was tight, the squad was crap and tbh i don't think you could blame him, he wasn't there long. But his record of improvement with leigh was very good, so he had something about him, and kept and sort of maintained st helens for a while.
Likewise, tony smith, did a season with huddersfield in the NL, got them promoted and had a decent first season in sl then went to leeds, and the rest is history.
I'd like to say morgan looks like he's got something about him, that he wouldn't sink if he were chucked in at a big(ger club).'" Millward also steered Saints to a 4th and 5th finish, which wouldn't be acceptable to us now.
If you are going to use that argument for Millward at Wigan, then couldn't Jimmy use that now with us? Millward didn't have a bad squad with Wigan, they massively underperformed (IMO).
The simple fact is that Millward hasn't done anything as head coach since leaving Saints.
In my earlier posts, I was bing OTT. My point really was to have a coach who has proven themselves at more than 1 club. You mention Smith, and I agree, he proved himself at Hudds, imporving them before going to Leeds and improving them. He then improved GB (no doubt people will quote the injuries that NZ had in that series) but GB did perform well in that series. It didn;t work out in the WC, but I still think Smith has proven that he has improved the teams he has coached, and would be happy with him.
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